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Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by areeh »

ernst_klim wrote: post #738
forest_dweller wrote: post #703

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It was quite clear that you were conflating many things. As to whether it would hurt monitisation. I don't think it will and even if it did I don't care they have more money than most countries do. If they must be required to by legal means so be it. Also they already kinda allow some of this when you enable developer mode via a Mac with the appropriate iOS developer account. So there is no reason why they cannot do…

> and even if it did I don't care > So there is no reason why they cannot do this tomorrow without the paywall Sure you don't when you are dismissing economics of software development so vigorously. Try to look at things from the perspective of economic incentives, not pure technical standpoint. You'll understand why free platforms are way less convenient, and closed platforms are as they are.

The incentives can change through eg law as forest_dweller has already mentioned in his comments. I think most people "understand" the current economic situation works out quite well for closed platforms, but it doesn't mean a better way does not exist and can work out just fine economically

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

pdkl95 wrote: post #247
emptysongglass wrote: post #219

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What's worse is the number of other posts with the top comments being vociferous defenses of these companies as if they needed these people to defend them or cared one iota for their welfare. It feels like it's Stockholm Syndrome on a mass scale. I worry for Gen Z because they're tiny-mobile-device native. And the only usable tiny mobile devices are walled gardens. They scream outrage when they're not allowed their t…

> I worry for Gen Z because they're tiny-mobile-device native. And the only usable tiny mobile devices are walled gardens. Without the ability to grow up playing with system level software, combined with the software industry's unwillingness to pass on institutional knowledge to younger generations, I fear we are already on a path towards a civilization that loses a lot of the technological capability we currently en…

> I fear we are already on a path towards a civilization that loses a lot of the technological capability we currently enjoy

Aren't there more kernel developers now than ever before?

It's not the case that we're struggling to produce technically skilled software engineers.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by joana035 »

long_warmup wrote: post #207
joana035 wrote: post #198

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And those are true heroes. It is an immense effort to make proprietary hardware to work well, specially Apple hardware.

I meant the original comment, that soon there will be no PC that runs Linux - I do hope for this because I feel this would be perfect business opportunity for somebody to come by and build PC's that run Linux and sell them for $ :)

I definitively don't want to live in this kind of world :P

But there is already companies selling computers with linux pre-installed like system76, dell and others.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by WorldPeas »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #229
andy_threos_io wrote: post #171

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Real Hacker who has concern about her/his privacy wouldn't touch this kind of product with a 10 foot pole!

And yet, Apple still has a reputation of being really privacy- and security- conscious. Windows' telemetry has had all the alarms raised for years now, and how does e.g. Canonical earn money? Same on mobile, Android phones - especially in the cheaper ranges - are dodgy as fuck when it comes to privacy and security.

you can't apply nearly the same heavy accusations on canonical as you do on MS and apple, cannonical makes the glut of its money from ubuntu server. The os is just a byproduct, if you really want to get technical, you could say that ubuntu popcon tracks you, but you can disable that from the package manager settings, because "oh no! they have anonymized package usage records of me!"

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by WorldPeas »

ahelwer wrote: post #618
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #407

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Linux desktop. I just use what's presented and get on with my work. I don't have a particularly complicated setup, but I found something that works and I've been using it happily enough for over a year having migrated from Windows. I don't know what disputes are being argued over, so I bothers me not in the slightest. Would it help if you just ignored the detail and just worked with what's presented?

Dual booting is still a problem. I just tried to install ubuntu as dual-boot on a separate SSD from windows (which I keep around for video games) and I ran into 13 bugs (I wrote them down!) within two hours - including two which caused fatal issues in the installation process itself which I had to run around eight times before it succeeded. Then it somehow permanently trashed the ability of windows to boot. After spe…

really? I just set up lvm2 on my new dell, partitioned some space, ran the windows installer and it just worked(tm). I do still remember how hard it was to dual boot on my old laptop, I don't know why it was different for me this time

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by drummer »

crististm wrote: post #328
zepto wrote: post #59

For most people, if there computer was ‘theirs’, it would be that way for about 10 minutes until it was pwned by a bad actor. The general issue of other people (I.e. Apple et al) having a lot of control over your computer, is entirely valid even if some of the points in the piece are exaggerations. The problem is that people want it that way. They are in fact correct that computers are scary and too complex for them…

"Stallman [...] really didn’t do much to solve the real problems" - I beg your pardon but when was he appointed with this responsibility?

Besides, he actually did A LOT. The problem is, the general sheep won't listen to him anyway.

"The choice for mankind lies between freedom and happiness and for the great bulk of mankind, happiness is better." -- George Orwell, 1984

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by justforyou »

greyhair wrote: post #710
rmoriz wrote: post #522

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Yes and no. At least it created a modest tinkering culture while the mainstream went with smart phones. I wonder if RISC-V will help us getting over ARM* or if RISC-V SoC vendors will try to create their own walled garden, proprietary interfaces and GPUs/codec support. * = The issues with the Raspberry PI are both with Broadcom's closed source hardware (there are other tinkering boards with more open hardware) and of…

I agree there are other 'tinkering' boards with more open hardware, but the Pi has the advantage of a huge community of very nice supporters. Maybe even as nice as the community over on arduino. The biggest problem with Broadcom on the Pi is the videocore block, and if you never run the video (using it for IoT), you avoid the biggest black hole on the device. As far as the ARM license goes, very few people are ever g…

>> The biggest problem with Broadcom on the Pi is the videocore block, and if you never run the video (using it for IoT), you avoid the biggest black hole on the device.

Avoiding the black hole does not solve the part of the problem where you are financally supporting closed hardware and disincentivising the Rasberry PI foundation fron doing the right thing.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by forest_dweller »

ernst_klim wrote: post #738
forest_dweller wrote: post #703

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was quite clear that you were conflating many things. As to whether it would hurt monitisation. I don't think it will and even if it did I don't care they have more money than most countries do. If they must be required to by legal means so be it. Also they already kinda allow some of this when you enable developer mode via a Mac with the appropriate iOS developer account. So there is no reason why they cannot do…

> and even if it did I don't care > So there is no reason why they cannot do this tomorrow without the paywall Sure you don't when you are dismissing economics of software development so vigorously. Try to look at things from the perspective of economic incentives, not pure technical standpoint. You'll understand why free platforms are way less convenient, and closed platforms are as they are.

As I said if it has to be mandated legally through a movement similar to right to repair so be it. The incentive will be "you must follow the law or be sued".
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