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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by istjohn »

JohnBooty wrote: post #619
istjohn wrote: post #591

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Twitter isn't obligated to allow anyone to use their platform, but as a user, I don't want Twitter to curate what ideas and speakers I'm exposed to, in the same way that I don't want my local library to ban certain books or Google to delist websites that it decides are bad. Twitter is within its right to do whatever it wants, but I don't want it curating my feed anymore than I want my phone to decide who I can and ca…

I don't want Twitter to curate what ideas and speakers I'm exposed to, in the same way that I don't want my local library to ban certain books or Google to delist websites that it decides are bad Those analogies are flawed, so I'll just address the issue directly. I do want Twitter to curate things, by filtering out news from biased sources with questionable alliances and borderline journalistic practices. I want the…

No, I don't want child porn on my feed, in my library, or in my Google results.

Illegal material aside, if someone posts something on Twitter that really disturbs me, I can block them. Twitter could create custom filters and let people opt in to them, too. But I want my technology to empower me, not infantalize me with paternalistic "protections."

I'm all for moderated communities. It's important for people to be able to create and define communities with their own rules and norms. But Twitter should be the value-neutral technology on which those communities are built. Empower us to create the world we want, don't force your vision on us.

Unfortunately, I think they feel responsible for the content now that they are actively picking what we see in our algorithmic feeds. The algorithmic feed was the first step in disempowering their users, and it logically leads to increasing censorship.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by edmundsauto »

chrisco255 wrote: post #555
edmundsauto wrote: post #47

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How does it matter whether it was developed publicly, or privately? Deregulation in the late 90s led to the Enron scandal, so I think there are clear reasons why not to be privately owned.

Right, and government officials were in charge of the Flint Water crisis. And government officials have abused the 4th amendment vis-a-vis the Patriot act. And governments have lied about WMDs to spend trillions on war. I guess the only difference between the private and public sector is that when a private company fucks up and gets caught, people actually lose money and go to jail.

I don't concede that private companies are more accountable. My point wasn't that governments are great at running utilities, merely that "turn it over to the private markets" is not the solution that many people seem to think.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by recursive »

core-questions wrote: post #733
heavyset_go wrote: post #638

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I once heard some good advice that I'm going to repeat: when someone tells you who they are, you should listen. The GOP is telling us who they are with their party platform. Anyway, I hear what you're saying a lot, and yet: - The GOP enables Texas social workers to refuse LGBTQ clients[1] - The Trump administration allows doctors to discriminate against LGBTQ people[2] - The Trump administration allows taxpayer-funde…

So, a few small "wins"; nothing major; nothing that is actually addressing the real concerns of these people that their culture and way of life is being changed forcibly around them without their consent. I don't think you'll find anyone that is satisfied with any of the above - at most perhaps someone who revels in this as some kind of revenge, but it doesn't accomplish what GOP voters want: the return of a strong m…

Culture is always changing regardless of anyone's consent, as it always has.

I'm confused about what you're saying about ".. don't think you'll find anyone that is satisfied ...". If no one is happy about these things, why do they continue to do them?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by anigbrowl »

whimsicalism wrote: post #644
anigbrowl wrote: post #643

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You can check on 4plebs. I don't read 4chan, but the same is true of 8chan and far-right Telegram - extremist doomers tend to be good early warning system for incidents that seem to bear out their apocalyptic worldview.

Maybe so, but I absolutely don't believe that anybody on 4chan was discussing covid prior to December 29. People can pretend it gets the "scoop" all they want in their little fantasy world, just want to call out the veracity of those claims when I see them.

It seems they first took up discussing it on January 2, (based on a CBS news report) which is reasonably quick off the mark. The main difference between imageboards and other media is their willingness to take up a topic seriously before it arrives in the mainstream, for good or (more often) ill.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/238064455/#238064455

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by free_rms »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #708
free_rms wrote: post #561

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It gets into the realm of speculation with partial facts, but you can make a pretty good case that Biden was involved with replacing one corrupt stooge with another one, who then just happened to drop all investigations into Hunter Biden's shady employer. Matt Taibbi has done some good reporting on this lately. You could cast doubt on Taibbi or an any narrative that fills in the blanks in some places, but compare to…

I do not cast doubt on Taibbi. I think the work he is doing is great, and should have been where the effort was in the first place. But so much of that particular topic is just circumstantial chum in the water that either few people actually investigated, or those that did could find little real supporting evidence. But let me use Taibbi's own words here: “If something comes in and we don’t know the exact providence…

I'll just say, if you're gonna put your thumb on the scale, you need to not fuck it up.

They streisand-effected the whole story, and made themselves look bad and unfair in the process -- how many unsourced claims about Russian interference have they let stand? This was a fiasco all around.

Cheers and solidarity.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by unishark »

unishark wrote: post #670
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #669

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> What if censorship itself causes hate speech? What if windmills cause cancer? What if toenails cause climate change? Why do birds?

Referencing actual logic people use regarding drugs/alcohol prohibition for those that didn't follow.

Also, the creation of echo chambers and political polarization.

And the Streisand effect as stories like this get more press from the censorship news itself.

And the motivation I feel to beat this drum ever harder as people respond with downvotes and snark.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by whimsicalism »

anigbrowl wrote: post #744
whimsicalism wrote: post #644

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Maybe so, but I absolutely don't believe that anybody on 4chan was discussing covid prior to December 29. People can pretend it gets the "scoop" all they want in their little fantasy world, just want to call out the veracity of those claims when I see them.

It seems they first took up discussing it on January 2, (based on a CBS news report) which is reasonably quick off the mark. The main difference between imageboards and other media is their willingness to take up a topic seriously before it arrives in the mainstream, for good or (more often) ill. https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/238064455/#238064455

Yes, those comments are definitely indicative of them taking it seriously.

Pretty quick, I'll give them that, but not before coverage - this is only a week or so before I became aware of the virus. Granted, I was traveling in China at the time, but it was known.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by core-questions »

recursive wrote: post #743
core-questions wrote: post #733

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So, a few small "wins"; nothing major; nothing that is actually addressing the real concerns of these people that their culture and way of life is being changed forcibly around them without their consent. I don't think you'll find anyone that is satisfied with any of the above - at most perhaps someone who revels in this as some kind of revenge, but it doesn't accomplish what GOP voters want: the return of a strong m…

Culture is always changing regardless of anyone's consent, as it always has. I'm confused about what you're saying about ".. don't think you'll find anyone that is satisfied ...". If no one is happy about these things, why do they continue to do them?

It's just meaningless bits of red meat chopped off to give the base something for a news cycle. Almost nothing ever comes of it, in the long run....

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by tqi »

keiferski wrote: post #649
tqi wrote: post #445

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Wouldn't decentralization just give people the option to choose from several different biased, unelected, unaccountable corporate entities?

Sure, but then people have options, and entities are forced to be competitive.

But critically, the entities are not competing for the same audience. People are not choosing between Fox News and MSNBC, people are choosing between Fox News and Brietbart. While it would seem like there is an opportunity for a service that caters to the middle, in reality I think people largely prefer to have their world views and priors confirmed rather than challenged.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by anigbrowl »

whimsicalism wrote: post #747
anigbrowl wrote: post #744

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It seems they first took up discussing it on January 2, (based on a CBS news report) which is reasonably quick off the mark. The main difference between imageboards and other media is their willingness to take up a topic seriously before it arrives in the mainstream, for good or (more often) ill. https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/238064455/#238064455

Yes, those comments are definitely indicative of them taking it seriously. Pretty quick, I'll give them that, but not before coverage - this is only a week or so before I became aware of the virus. Granted, I was traveling in China at the time, but it was known.

I only mean seriously in the sense of giving their attention to it, in somewhat the same way as sewer sampling can be a useful way to detect emerging COVID clusters. Online extremists glom onto anything involving political instability because it's a potential opportunity. I noticed the same thing with the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.
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