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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Izmaki »

starbugs wrote: post #470
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I predict that from now on the touch bar will slowly become smaller and smaller until it disappears completely. It would have been better if they'd gotten rid of it entirely in one iteration though.

I like it. It helps me control my music, volume and VMs all at once without having to bother with windows or holding down key modifiers

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by EugeneOZ »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #728
EugeneOZ wrote: post #724

$2800 in USA and $3600 (€3200) in Europe. "Inspiring" difference... Maybe it will be less expensive to order from the USA...

US prices don’t include tax, EU prices do. Compare the ex vat price to the US price.

Then price is almost same ($2870). Thank you, didn't know that about the US price. Now I feel stupid. Meh.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dafman »

RenRav wrote: post #743

What the heck is that thing above the number keys? It looks like a strip of a touchscreen.

It is, that’s the Touch Bar that has replaced the function keys on MacBook Pros. Not a fan at all as I use the fn keys a lot on a MacBook but I can’t see them getting rid of it for a while

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by pkamb »

The "Inverted-T" arrow keys here are way better than the previous version with full-height Left/Right but half-height Up/Down.

But I've always preferred the "6-key" layout, as seen on ThinkPads. Half-height arrow keys, but then an additional key on top of both Left and Right.

Commonly marked as Page Up / Page Down, but easily reconfigurable to 2 additional arbitrary hotkeys.

Looks nice and symmetrical enough for Apple. Wish they would use it.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

donkeyd wrote: post #587
blhack wrote: post #373

It's hilarious to me that their own marketing image has two dongles plugged into the laptop so that the user can still use USB. Apple please for the love of usability: please give me back USB. I AM the pro that you want to feature in every one of your marketing videos. I have a music studio in my house, I build interactive lighting installations for the biggest music festivals in the world, I build custom hardware co…

Things change, deal with it. I've swapped USB cables to USB-C cables. Only USB drives, which i rarely use anymore require an adapter. Meanwhile, I can use all 4 ports to: - Run a display - Charge my laptop - Charge a phone - Connect a drive I can even use a single port to both charge the laptop and run a screen with multiple USB devices attached to it. I now need to daisy chain converters to use my PS/2 mouse on my M…

If you were Apple's only user, you might have a point. But you're not.

Music professionals, video professionals, photographic professionals, and plenty of other professionals all have collections of USB peripherals which aren't going to be updated any time soon - either because there are no USB-C replacements, or because a complete replacement program might easily run to four figures, edging up to five for some users, and in extreme cases will be as high as six.

Some of these people tour or travel a lot. Having to rely on dongles - which can be lost, or stolen, or which may stop working for random reasons - is very much not a good idea.

Telling these professionals to "deal with it" is unhelpfully obtuse.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by wilg »

lilyball wrote: post #727
Reason077 wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys." The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards are awful, unreliable, and get worse with time, so I'm very glad to see them go. Likewise, the return of the physical Escape key is very welcome. But honestly, the design of the arrow keys has never bothered me in the slightest. If anything, t…

The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards never bothered me. I actually like the feel of my MBP's keyboard. Likewise the software Escape key never bothered me. But honestly, the design of the arrow keys is super important. With the full-height left/right keys it's hard to quickly find the arrow keys by feel. The new (old) arrow key design is honestly what I'm most interested in with this computer after the 16" screen.

How is it hard? They're at the bottom right so you can find them by feel pretty quickly.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by wilg »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #747
donkeyd wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things change, deal with it. I've swapped USB cables to USB-C cables. Only USB drives, which i rarely use anymore require an adapter. Meanwhile, I can use all 4 ports to: - Run a display - Charge my laptop - Charge a phone - Connect a drive I can even use a single port to both charge the laptop and run a screen with multiple USB devices attached to it. I now need to daisy chain converters to use my PS/2 mouse on my M…

If you were Apple's only user, you might have a point. But you're not. Music professionals, video professionals, photographic professionals, and plenty of other professionals all have collections of USB peripherals which aren't going to be updated any time soon - either because there are no USB-C replacements, or because a complete replacement program might easily run to four figures, edging up to five for some users…

I think this person was saying to replace the cables, not replace the peripherals or use dongles.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by skavi »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #747
donkeyd wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things change, deal with it. I've swapped USB cables to USB-C cables. Only USB drives, which i rarely use anymore require an adapter. Meanwhile, I can use all 4 ports to: - Run a display - Charge my laptop - Charge a phone - Connect a drive I can even use a single port to both charge the laptop and run a screen with multiple USB devices attached to it. I now need to daisy chain converters to use my PS/2 mouse on my M…

If you were Apple's only user, you might have a point. But you're not. Music professionals, video professionals, photographic professionals, and plenty of other professionals all have collections of USB peripherals which aren't going to be updated any time soon - either because there are no USB-C replacements, or because a complete replacement program might easily run to four figures, edging up to five for some users…

maybe they should be complaining to the peripheral manufacturers rather than Apple. USB C is better and a major player going all in is the only way to get the industry to switch.
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