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All three of your paragraphs are incorrect.
Thanks, could you develop?
Everyone knows Apple is workin on a car.
The other car companies have so far looked like blind idiots. How does being early lead to "too expensive and less convenient"?
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Why he doesn't seem like a good person to you?
His (public) behavior is not that of someone I'd look up to. As others have said, his accusing of someone to be pedophile is very low. I strongly disagree with the marketing and, in my humble opinion, reckless release of Autopilot. I also really don't like how he handled the issue with the SEC. Whether he intended to or not, he did misled investors with his tweets about having funding secured and instead of just admi…
What I like the most about the guy is that he shows that he’s pretty much a human like anyone else.
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What are you smoking? The market for automobiles is basically the entire world's adult population. Space rockets not so much.
You're not entirely wrong, but entire world? I'm not sure. The _vast_ majority of people in the planet can't afford to spend even 10kUSD on a car.
On a long enough timeline the world normalizes. These classifications of "first world" vs. "third world" countries can be viewed as an ordering of arrival to the modern high-energy high-tech life. Third-world countries don't stay in mud huts indefinitely. China is the fastest growing automotive market in the world, it wasn't too long ago they were riding bicycles in droves. Now we're hearing about manufacturing migrating from China to India where it's still cheap, the cycle repeats.
I don't think we can say that everyone in the world will ever be in the market for SpaceX products and services. But we can definitely say that's possible about electric vehicles. They are already often owned and operated by individuals, and the common utility is incredibly obvious.
All I'm hearing in your comment is that they're currently too expensive for most people. The price will decrease as the economies of scale take over, the buying power and interest across the world population will increase in spurts, it's only a matter of time.
Once EV-capable batteries are as commonplace as propane tanks, this picture is going to change dramatically. Eliminating a transmission and ICE from a vehicle design substantially lowers the cost to manufacture it. There's very little precision machining left in an EV, it's basically the steering rack, and myriad ball/roller bearings, wheel hubs, brake rotors and calipers, what else? It's a big difference.
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The shift want just digital cameras it was also the iPhone that made the digital camera obsolete. With digital cameras they were losing film revenue which was larger than camera sales. Car companies don't own gas stations so they will switch faster and easier than Kodak. There will be some struggles internally but not as much I suspect. Plus modern EVs have demonstrated more performance then ice so it's really just a…
> more performance than ice In some axes, WAY more. The new Roadster 0-60 is 1.9 sec, which is 0.3 faster than everything on the production list. That list needs updating now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_car...
For perspective the Model S made it around the track in about 10 minutes, an old diesel Jaguar S Type with a 0-60 time of 8.5~ seconds did it in about 9 [2 & 3].
[1] https://insideevs.com/news/323053/tesla-model-s-fails-to-lap...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nords...
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This is drifting off topic, but... you're advocating for being constantly alert while the car drives itself? Doesn't this have the same cognitive load as driving, with possibly the additional time needed for "flexing your muscles" to regain control of the driving wheel? To me, self driving means that I can not care. If I must pay attention to avoid being killed, it is at most some glorified adaptive lane keeping and/…
The person in the accident was not using "full self driving". At that time they only did traffic aware cruise control + lane keeping.
But anyway... That doesn't change the argument, if only it is more worrying
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VW Group’s recent Audi e-tron has to 30-40% lower range than a Tesla 3 (~200 miles vs ~325 miles) and as such I would totally see them putting forward the money to buy Tesla in order to bridge this big technological gap.
The first e-tron model to go into production is a 5-door SUV equivalent to the Model X. Why are you comparing it to the Model 3?
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there is a line of reasoning, rarely articulated, that EVs will never reach the price points it would take to fully 100% replace ICE cars in the private/personal market. li-ion batteries have done an excellent job walking down the learning/cost curve, but we can all see the way it bends and how much headroom is left in the chemistry. we'll likely hit $100/kwh in the next few years, but even just $80/kwh is likely 5+…
> EVs will never reach the price points it would take to fully 100% replace ICE cars in the private/personal market The Chevy Bolt and to a lesser extent the Model 3 have already hit the "Corolla/Civic/Sonata/et al" sedan sweet spot for new sales. The mean in new car sales has always been around and just above $30k. Certainly the mean in total car sales is closer to $20k, but that hugely because of the secondary mark…
GM sold 18,000 Bolts in 2018 [1]. Over the same period, Toyota sold 280,000 Corolla Sedans [2].
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/3/18166619/gm-ev-tax-credit-...
[2] http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/toyota/toyota-coro...
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Of course others are working towards the same. That's the point and value of competition - and what Elon wanted to cause (whether you take it up as clever PR or genuine care) other manufacturers to start producing EVs. The point is in a highly competitive environment every incremental improvement is potentially a huge advantage in getting to market and scaling faster; Elon referenced the exponential aspect of this, e…
> My whole argument doesn't revolve around "Tesla says" You wrote in this single reply: Elon wanted...Elon referenced...Elon said...Elon has said...Elon believes... This is the foundation of your argument. Elon also said he was taking Tesla private and had a buyer at $420, and settled after being accused of fraud. Things that Elon says, wants or believes are not facts. That is my point. > Citation needed for it not b…
My saying "I suppose it's possible you have financial interest in Tesla failing and haven't disclosed that" isn't a "baseless accusation" - which you claim, which then wrongly lets you build your anger and is a bad foundation giving you the argument that I'm being hypocritical and also making assumptions. I didn't accuse you of such - realize there's a difference between an accusation and brainstorming through possibilities.
In the end we'll see how Tesla and Elon does. I believe most people are terrible at understanding exponentials, terrible at foresight at the holistic level - and only believe something once it's been 100% for X years; part of the whole Product Adoption curve: innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority, laggards (or other labels: tech enthusiasts, visionaries, pragmatists, conservatives, skeptics).