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Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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post #362

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Opera is now owned by a Chinese consortium and quite possibly embeds spyware. Check out Brave, instead, which is founded by the inventor of Javascript and extremely privacy-focused.

Brave is also based on chromium.

True, and has ad-blocking built in, so presumably this is an area of focus for them.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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post #235

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Pi-hole covers you regardless of browser.

Network level ad-blocking doesn't work very well. Privoxy (and Proxomitron before it) were doing it 20 years ago, but never caught on because they're a PITA to setup and can't handle inline adverts. Pi-hole is new, but it's even more work to setup, and suffers the same limitations. And as ad-blocking has become more popular the problems only gotten worse. It's unusual that I see any ads any more, but when I do it's a…

I guess I am missing something. I have a Pi-Hole setup at both home and office that serve as the only DNS for the entire network at both locations. I don't see ads, affiliate links don't resolve, and tracking/monitoring services don't capture my traffic.

My experience has been that it took about 30 minutes to setup and I don't see ads on the internet, nor do my family or team.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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post #235

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Pi-hole covers you regardless of browser.

I have a Pi-hole and use uBlock; when I turn off uBlock and use the Pi-hole alone, a ton of ads still seem to come through. This is with the default blocklists (StevenBlack, MalwareDomains, sysctl.org, zeustracker.abuse.ch; about 8 total). Maybe I'm not adding enough lists, but "out of the box" it doesn't seem to cut it.

You may have a secondary DNS. Sometimes that isn't even intentional as ISP modems automatically upstream failed DNS regardless of the local DHCP settings (I'm looking at you AT&T Fiber)

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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post #294

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Moreover I have got nothing to hide That's not your call to make.

what?

People who own more guns than you do are the ones who decide whether or not you have "something to hide."

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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I'm not necessarily of this opinion, but his view is that knowing what you had for breakfast and your address is the same as your bank account # or house keys; it's just that people haven't realized this yet. Their argument is that the reason why people say house keys, or bank act # is different is because they are protecting something of value. His argument is what you do on a daily basis is just as valuable you jus…

At a certain point, is that necessarily a bad thing? If the AI knows me so well, it's probably something I would buy/want anyway. If my house starts cooking bacon and eggs in the morning based on it's analysis of me, and there's a 90% chance that's what I want, awesome. A lot of people already do it with driving. On my commute to work every day, I go the way google maps tells me to. Google is effectively controlling…

Because to a company using ML to impart control over your behavior, you are a $. They want to extract value from you, just like every other company, government, etc... If they become really, really good at this, you are going to have a low standard of living (because you are being mined for value), and make noncoherent decisions constantly (you will no longer be rational, nor have a functional personality).

To some degree, this has already been happening for decades, since psychologists began formalising advertising into a science. Look at the increasing percentage of lower class families and how diminished their average value is. This isn't caused by time localized events, like a 5 year recession or a housing market bubble. This is the result of extremely fine-tuned and effective advertising, that has caused cultural shifts towards greater and more irrational consumerism.

ML allows the advertisers to be much much more effective; they no longer even have to manually understand their market to manipulate it. Again, look at the growing disparity between the richest 1% and the rest of the schmucks. That 1% is soaking up the profits of extremely effective advertising, which the rest of us are paying for.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Sorry Google, I feel "icky & gross" when I use you.

> I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Chrome used to be very lightweight, fast and basically unseated IE as the top browser. It got that love because at the time Firefox was bloated and IE had a stranglehold. Chrome was also safer with a process per tab. Chrome made web browsing/dev pleasant like Firefox/Firebug did and it really took off being based on Webkit l…

I got the "love", because it was (and still is) advertised on google.com. Most non-technical people readily install malware when prompted. If malware is advertised on google.com, they will install it more quickly.

Microsoft have been stalling IE development for years, which allowed Mozilla to gain huge marketshare. This resulted in a lot of people learning, how to install a third party web browser. By the time Chrome was unveiled, Mozilla have coincidentally slowed Firefox development to a crawl. I remember the point, when the stable Firefox version was close to unusable, while everyone technologically proficient used a development release. It have been so bad, that some addons simply recommended not using the stable Firefox version. Btw, things have only gotten worse since then.

Chrome's dazzling success is result of it's aggressive advertising as well as sabotage and mismanagement, that killed off alternatives.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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post #627

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I care about my privacy, that's why I don't use Firefox, because the Mozilla Corporation was caught red-handed sending user data to an advertisement company, Cliqz.

You: "I care about my privacy" ... "I use chrome" Huh? I feel a lot less concerned about this than who knows what google is doing. https://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whi... "Cliqz does not build browsing profiles for individual users and discards the user's IP address once the data is collected," the firm added." [...] "Consequently, aggregation of user's data in the server-side (on Cliqz premis…

jqt, any chance you work for Google? Because, not to be rude, but this is something someone from Google would say to try to, oh idk, demonize Mozilla so everyone will forget that Google has marketing profiles for ALL OF US. So if you do work for Google, you should probably give a disclaimer, or just not comment at all.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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You: "I care about my privacy" ... "I use chrome" Huh? I feel a lot less concerned about this than who knows what google is doing. https://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whi... "Cliqz does not build browsing profiles for individual users and discards the user's IP address once the data is collected," the firm added." [...] "Consequently, aggregation of user's data in the server-side (on Cliqz premis…

jqt, any chance you work for Google? Because, not to be rude, but this is something someone from Google would say to try to, oh idk, demonize Mozilla so everyone will forget that Google has marketing profiles for ALL OF US. So if you do work for Google, you should probably give a disclaimer, or just not comment at all.

I think you misunderstood my post. I am arguing that I would prefer Firefox to Chrome.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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> I know my data stays with Google and won't be siphoned to a third party that I don't know. How can you be so sure about that?

You can't. But Google is an ad company and an ad company does not just give away their most valuable resource, the data. So it's more about the devil you know then the devil you don't know.

They sell recordings of your activity for money, and you don't even get a cut. No royalties, no nothing. So they are profiting from your actions, without paying you. Bit unethical right? I generally consider my time valuable enough to sell it, and my actions even more so.
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