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Re: iPhone 7

#741
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I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

This may be a case where the European Union antitrust authorities mandate that Apple do something different. This seems to be a textbook case of monopoly status in one domain being used to exert a monopoly in another (headphones).

I'd love to see how a claim with the antitrust authorities will hold up about Apple having an (iPhone) monopoly and abusing that somehow to get a monopoly in the headphone space, which is served by a bajillion manufacturers already providing many wireless and some lightning headphones. Don't forget Apple is also shipping the adapter that keeps all those minijack devices working.

No matter how many times people want to try this, Apple doesn't have a monopoly when it comes to the mobile/smartphone (hardware) space.

Re: iPhone 7

#742

The premiere of the next mbp next year: "And... We listened to you. We've been hearing that you are upset about not being able to use the same headphones for your computer and iphone 7. We fixed that. We've removed the 3.5mm jack from the new mbp. It's magical."

Oh also, lighting port. For everything. Not USB3, lightning. FUCKYOUEXTERNALMONITORS.

But in all seriousness, if they make the port count any lower, the MacBook Pro will cease to be a laptop. It will become an iPad without a touchscreen.

Re: iPhone 7

#743
post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

The cynic in me sees this as a further attempt at lock-in.

As you mentioned, when the other technologies were abandoned, a suitable replacement existed that was widely in use regardless of platform. With the headphones, buying a set for an iPhone will now no longer work with other non-Apple devices (at least, at the moment -- are they licensing this to others and are any others interested in lightning headphones?).

I have two friends, recently, who destroyed their iPhone 6 (toilet and cement drop) and opted to purchase a higher-end Android device as a replacement (slightly less expensive with slightly better specs and they liked my phone when I let them play with it). Had they owned a pair of $200 "pretend" high-end headphones[0] that would have only worked with an iPhone, I doubt they would have been so quick to switch. I guess that could work the other way -- preventing Android users from switching to Apple, except it's resolved by a dongle on the Apple side without loss of perceived quality.

Wireless isn't a suitable replacement, either. Every time I see a new set of excellent Bluetooth wireless headphones, I think of the drawer full of the previous BT headphone/headset devices I'd bought and the several that aren't there because I've lost them. Usually something fell off of the device or the battery stopped holding a charge as long as the phone (when I remembered to charge those, too). The AirPods are small so they end up in the pocket opposite my phone with other things[1], most likely, my keys. They appear durable enough to survive in that environment, but it'll take about a week before I pull my keys out (I've only got 3 keys and a couple of rings), one snags on a ring and falls onto the ground without me noticing. Welp, I'm done, off to the drawer you go, mono-Pods.

I lose wired headphones much less frequently. They're usually plugged into my phone (and recent phones hold them tight) and wrapped inconspicuously around my neck. If I pocket them and they snag on my keys, I notice. But the best part is if I lose them, I can find a pair that suites my needs for $15 or less. Something tells me the Lightning headphones aren't going to be that cheap for a long time[2].

[0] "Pretend" high-end headphones refers to the likes of "Beats by Dre" and many others that are little more than the "Air Jordans" of headphones. You pay five times the price of similarly capable headphones because it's got a logo of a perceived "bad ass" on it.

[1] Because, at least where I live, wearing them in your ears when your not using them is going to get you labeled a "Douche Bag" pretty quickly.

[2] A quick search yielded several with the "basic features" I'd be looking for at around USD$50.00. Yikes.

Re: iPhone 7

#745
post #545

2.4Ghz is super congested. 802.11g is. Bluetooth is. Even your microwave is on 2.4GHz. If everybody starts to use Bluetooth headphones all the time, I fear it's gonna make it totally unusable.

There are tons of call center farms with people packed very closesly using Bluetooth headsets (and have been for a decade) and there doesn't seem to be an issue

Are you sure about them being Bluetooth? I'd be interested to know how they make it work.

If you meant something like this [0], DECT [1] works on a different frequence band.

[0] https://en-us.sennheiser.com/phone-headset-wireless-call-cen...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Tele...

Re: iPhone 7

#746
One major thing I haven't seen anyone mention about replacing wired headphones with wireless is that as far as I know, you're not supposed to use wireless headphones on a plane. I don't think you'd actually get hassled by a flight attendant but who knows.

Re: iPhone 7

#747
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought they might replace the headphone jack with a USB-C connector. Then they could do the same thing on the MacBook and it'd have two USB-C ports. But instead they chose Lightning, so now we have iPhone headphones and Android headphones. Why did it have to be this way?

Because Apple. I really don't want a shitty android phone. Might get a 6s I guess. I damaged my 6 recently.

Then choose a good one.

Re: iPhone 7

#748

I'm not even upset about the headphone jack. Whatever. I'm really upset because you won't be able to do the following: 1.) Audio+GPS+Charging in non-Bluetooth Car. 2.) Listening to music at desk and still have enough charge for the Audio+GPS for the drive home. 3.) No more listening to music/audiobooks as I fall asleep because in the morning the iPhone won't be charged for my desk usage the next day unless I wake up…

> 3.) No more listening to music/audiobooks as I fall asleep because in the morning the iPhone won't be charged for my desk usage the next day unless I wake up and plug it back in during my sleep. Can you really sleep with earbuds in? In that use case, I use the device's speaker.

My wife won't let me sleep with the speaker, so I've adapted to have 1 earbud in depending on which side I want to sleep on. It eventually falls out and tomorrow I seek to the last place I remember in the book and repeat ;)

Re: iPhone 7

#749
I have two thoughts on the headphone jack:

1. Most of the use cases being discussed here are irrelevant for the average iPhone user. Charging and listening at the same time is not a thing for most users. I know there are perfectly reasonable scenarios where it is useful, but most people don't care. Regarding battery life: personally, I use my iPhone quite a lot, often with bluetooth headphones, and I have had to charge it only once or twice during the daytime in the last two years. If you play a lot of games, or use GPS intensively for a few hours, then battery life could be an issue. For the average consumer, I don't think it will be a major concern.

2. OTOH, in the last few years headphones have become a very, very big market. They are a huge status symbol for teenagers and early 20-somethings. If you've saved a lot of money to afford a pair in that stage of life, the headphone jack is a big deal. It's not going to be "cool" to carry around an adapter all the time, and regardless people will hear "no headphone jack" and be annoyed. That demographic seems key to me in maintaining Apple's market lead over the long term, i.e. trend-setting young people.

Overall, I actually think that (2) will be a very big issue. Whilst I am of the opinion that wires are horrible in general, Apple may have misread its market here.

Re: iPhone 7

#750

I'm not even upset about the headphone jack. Whatever. I'm really upset because you won't be able to do the following: 1.) Audio+GPS+Charging in non-Bluetooth Car. 2.) Listening to music at desk and still have enough charge for the Audio+GPS for the drive home. 3.) No more listening to music/audiobooks as I fall asleep because in the morning the iPhone won't be charged for my desk usage the next day unless I wake up…

you sleep with headphones? Not trying to be a dick here... I would like to do the same, but I'd fall asleep with headphones and roll over or something and send my phone flying.

Yes, I have the lightning cable come up in the middle of the bed and place the phone between my wife and I's pillows. I then route the headphone wire around my pillow and up the top so that when I fall asleep and it falls out it will be pulled back behind the pillow and I won't sleep on it. If I roll over i switch ears (only 1 ear in).

She requires complete silence to go to sleep ;)

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