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Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Privacy by design isn‘t enormous effort, as every European engineering manager will tell you. It‘s just another reasonable and straightforward set of requirements. Of course, if you want to have privacy-less features in jurisdictions permitting it, that‘s a different story and that‘s a choice.

DMA is about competition not privacy. Apple has privacy concerns with complying related to 3rd party access to customer data. Another aspect here is that even if Apple tries theirto best to comply, the EU could decide they didn’t do a good enough job and fine them 10% of global revenue. Honestly Apple just might not want to take that risk.

> DMA is about competition not privacy. Apple has privacy concerns with complying related to 3rd party access to customer data.

DMA is reasonable. It‘s not their job to be concerned so much as to block that access completely. Alternative approaches do exist. For example, they may require independent audit of submitted apps if they do not trust regulators and collect small fees to cover operational costs of dealing with audit ecosystem.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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We have been able to choose our default app for 'assistant' on Android for a decade. It's fine. You can even revoke permissions if you want to. And guess what ? Because you're allowed to choose something else than Siri, it doesn't mean you have to. You can still use Siri if you think it's better for your privacy.

What level of system access do they have? You can use 3rd party AI apps on iOS, they just can’t read app data or make actions on the system outside of the APIs that currently exist. The new Siri has much deeper access to personal data and absolutely can not be trusted being siphoned off to a 3rd party server.

It's never been what the eu asks for. They want people to be able to set a different assistant than Siri, and that this assistant can have deep access (as much as Siri) if the users wants it.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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The EU is only interested in interoperability and centralization of data so they can put their citizens under surveillance. I hope Apple continues to exit this market on the edges.

One of the main rights enabled by the GDPR is to request to have data deleted, how would that facilitate surveillance?

They have trackers in the Euros so they can track you across state lines /s

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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I have the complete opposite experience. Originally had a Canadian bought iPhone in Spain, had all the features a Canadian has and a European doesn’t (or vice versa). Upgraded to a Spanish bought iPhone and I am still a “Canadian”. I’ve been here for nearly 5 years but my Apple account is still fully Canadian (Canadian address, Canadian credit card on file). I think it’s Apple account location, maybe with some sort o…

I have a European account, when I lived in Japan I could use all the features (iPhone Mirroring, etc.) that are blocked in the EU. When back in the EU I can still use them for about 2 weeks before they get blocked again.

Wow, odd. I haven't even set foot in Canada in 4.5 years and still have all the blocked features!

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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> I want more companies to not get exemptions and thus not offer law-breaking products. I LIKE that the government is saying, "fix it or don't bring it here" and Apple just has to live with it. The idea that there is such a thing as "law-breaking products" when consumers ACTIVELY CHOOSE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY ON THEM is insane to me. This is authoritarian nonsense. It is not the state's place to tell people what they s…

> The idea that there is such a thing as "law-breaking products" when consumers ACTIVELY CHOOSE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY ON THEM is insane to me. This is authoritarian nonsense. Remember Silk Road? You could order cocaine, heroin, and even execution contracts, which the founder himself go caught doing. I don't think making something illegal to buy is authoritarian nonsense. I don't want people ordering a murder on me fro…

FWIW, the contract-for-hire charges were never prosecuted probably because the agents who cajoled Ulbricht into setting it up were eventually convicted of stealing bitcoin from the operation. See: https://reason.com/2016/08/02/ross-ulbrichts-conviction-sent...
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