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Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by enraged_camel »

dodu_ wrote: post #658
zkmon wrote: post #269

> I don't know what to do. Ride the wave. You rode it when websites/webapps were the wave. I came into software industry before internet, kept changing my horse. You are never too old to learn new tricks. The new wave create new kind of work and workers. Be one of them. Ride the beast, master the tools. It's the same game again.

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>> Something else builds it, I take credit for it despite not understanding much about about it.

How much you understand what was built is entirely up to you. Literally nothing is stopping you, or anyone else, from having the AI walk you through it, or reading the code yourself if you don’t trust the AI.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by LtWorf »

shruggedatlas wrote: post #727
rfgplk wrote: post #712

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Customers may build the software they need entirely in-house or via prompt-engineer consultants, without the need to buy software tools like today. It could be a very very different world. Already happening. I know of a few places that have gotten such large gains from LLMs that they know have their engineers working on creating homegrown ports of popular services (Docker etc.).

It seems to me that Docker should be far, far down the list on services to recreate in-house with AI.

But since it's open source the AI is trained on it so it can actually do it :D

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by DaedalusII »

t34t34r43 wrote: post #113
iandanforth wrote: post #18

Wut? I pilot LLMs all day but there's no way in hell I'd agree to be at the helm of a finance product. That first pillar is still there. Maybe the author isn't aware of the impact they have, but I know, with the evidence of reverted PRs, that when I step outside my area of deep knowledge I can no longer call BS on the agents. Our most capable agent, with access to the same kind of distributed systems the author talks…

Posting this under a burner so I don't dox myself: I work in FinTech on a regulated product. We have access to Mythos. Mythos identified part of our codebase that it confidently asserted was not complaint with a particular regulation and we were at grave risk by allowing it to operate the way it was. Except this was not the case, it had of course hallucinated what the regulation actually required (I know this because…

you should rewrite this comment with chatgpt if you do not want to be dox

https://www.tomsguide.com/ai/ai-can-now-identify-anonymous-i...

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by DaedalusII »

antonvs wrote: post #584
thewebguyd wrote: post #471

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> IT. They tend to over-interpret regulation, and super-restrict beyond what is needed for actual de-facto compliance. IME this is less the fault of IT and more so bad auditors that won't consider, or just don't understand, what compensating controls are. If it doesn't meet their little checklist exactly, they fail the audit.

> IT. They tend to over-interpret regulation, and super-restrict beyond what is needed for actual de-facto compliance. This is such a nonsensical claim. If a company is asking someone from IT to read the regulations and implement them, then obviously you’re going to get something that conforms to the written specification they were provided. But a company that does that is basically delegating both compliance and leg…

perfect IT response

regulation are written ambiguously and the specifications do not match the industry

I have even seen regulators refuse to specific legislated laws because "thats not what the government meant", giving a company the choice of following the law and being fined, or breaking the law to please the regulatory agency

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by ziml77 »

raducu wrote: post #623
PeterStuer wrote: post #418

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I have worked on highly regulated areas in finance (risk). Compliance is a highly creative art, often requiring lots of out-of-the-box thinking and non-obvious solutions. The people I found worst at this were IT. They tend to over-interpret regulation, and super-restrict beyond what is needed for actual de-facto compliance. My guess is the model makes the same mistakes as the programmers: taking 'rules' literally, un…

> he people I found worst at this were IT. My experience as IT in modern banks was the opposite. The legal department were absolute assholes when it came to software features. And I'm talking absolutely 100% ok features, like paying your bills from the banking application. The least fun, trigger happy, cover their buts people I've ever seen. Like all they could ever say was NO. I guess they were heavily incentivized…

That was my experience too. Legal wanted things locked down hard. IT was more than happy to make things easier for users as long as legal wasn't getting in the way. Usually meant the systems were simpler too if we had fewer rules and controls to enforce.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by LtWorf »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #602
atomicnumber3 wrote: post #356

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Suno is completely incapable of producing heavy metal. I can't speak for other genres bc I don't listen to them, but what it produces is completely hollow and devoid of what makes metal metal. I also think most metal fans will categorically reject AI-made metal on principle.

>will categorically reject AI-made metal on principle. I think this is a huge part of the reason people sometimes find AI criticism so dismissible; there is always some factor other than the actual product it seems that AI-made assets are judged on. With Suno, the biggest ones I've seen are 1) hating AI-created music by virtue of it being AI-created, and 2) the hate is from people who attempt to generate income from…

Currently AI music is quite recognisable as such. I don't know if it will get better. But people who listen to music do notice.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by MarkSamuels12 »

Yea, I don't know if I fully agree with this. You are not going to be able to have a vibe coder design, develop and implement a system of moderate complexity without blowing everything up. A big part of using applications like Claude and others is having the conceptual understanding and experience with Computer Science concepts. These are things that vibe coders will never have, if they did, they wouldn't be vibe coders.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by pharos92 »

george_max wrote: post #617

I see many comments saying, "AI can't do X with 80-100% accuracy; therefore our professions are in good hands." While I don't want to sound overly pessimistic, the models are improving at a rapid rate. If asked ~3 years ago where the state of the models are today, it would sound like sci-fi if answered, "the models are creating full MVP apps in ~30 minutes with one prompt". The hurdles the models are facing now, like…

I would highly encourage you to watch this short clip

https://youtu.be/5eqRuVp65eY?si=3fLT6S5q2OIUcu6r

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by ai_fry_ur_brain »

george_max wrote: post #617

I see many comments saying, "AI can't do X with 80-100% accuracy; therefore our professions are in good hands." While I don't want to sound overly pessimistic, the models are improving at a rapid rate. If asked ~3 years ago where the state of the models are today, it would sound like sci-fi if answered, "the models are creating full MVP apps in ~30 minutes with one prompt". The hurdles the models are facing now, like…

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Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Post by [deleted] »

rfgplk wrote: post #712
p2detar wrote: post #643

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Why would it stop with just developer layoffs? When software companies rely on LLM providers to run their business, I’d argue we‘ll see a massive bust of these companies around the world - from on-prem products to SaaS. Customers may build the software they need entirely in-house or via prompt-engineer consultants, without the need to buy software tools like today. It could be a very very different world.

> Customers may build the software they need entirely in-house or via prompt-engineer consultants, without the need to buy software tools like today. It could be a very very different world. Already happening. I know of a few places that have gotten such large gains from LLMs that they know have their engineers working on creating homegrown ports of popular services (Docker etc.).

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