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Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by andrepd »

__s wrote: post #194
dgellow wrote: post #120

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I don’t think you understand atheism? As an atheist I do not believe in any form of deity or divine authority. I do not reject a specific religion, I do not actually believe there is any form of divine order to our world. I can look at faiths as the social constructs they are, and find interest in concepts humans have been developing and created cults around but there won’t ever be a religion/deity I will look at and…

Also atheist here. Reading old+new testament was informative like reading history: whatever is true or not in those passages, have had profound impact throughout history Their point is that despite your subscription to reason, without exposure to other cultural norms, you may be blind to what Christian values you live by. Becoming aware of them can help self evaluation of your ethical framework

Indeed! Reading the Bible attentively has only made me even more of an atheist :)

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Post by dbalatero »

moogly wrote: post #512
dbalatero wrote: post #356

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Did you mean AGI? I'd think whatever else they are doing, LLMs are reducing RSI...

Maybe. I am not convinced I type fewer keystrokes being a Markdown Monkey compared to writing code largely via autocomplete. Fewer Tab keystrokes, for sure.

I was mostly making a joke.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by fuzzfactor »

stavros wrote: post #51
whizzter wrote: post #47

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The net is too infused with dumb takes that the joke becomes indistinguishable to reality.

This is true, but we also can't go around adding /s to everything. Ah well, I guess it's a risk I have to take.

There's always the time the Pope's limo got pulled over by the cops . . .

https://startsat60.com/media/lifestyle/jokes/daily-joke-pope...

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by [deleted] »

itchingsphynx wrote: post #667
Animats wrote: post #658

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Electricity. Eventually, it was everywhere, used by everybody, and a background to society. Electric utilities did not end up ruling the world.

Indeed, the Industrial Revolution was the topic of a previous encyclical, which inspired this one. RERUM NOVARUM ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON CAPITAL AND LABOR http://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docume...

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Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by plotti »

lstodd wrote: post #516
plotti wrote: post #487

The answer is sortition a.k.a. democracy by lot. From my subjective understanding it is The only institutional democracy variant that puts a firewall between money and power.

You can't have money without it being power. So no, you can't have a firewall between them.

Well then you need to read the wiki article how sortition works. Greeks did it because they fubared their whole society before.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by plotti »

ugh123 wrote: post #497
plotti wrote: post #487

The answer is sortition a.k.a. democracy by lot. From my subjective understanding it is The only institutional democracy variant that puts a firewall between money and power.

A 2 term limit would be a good start

You can’t fix the broken system with such a minor patch

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Post by Paracompact »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #708
Paracompact wrote: post #688

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> [The Amish] carefully evaluate the potential impact of every new technology on the community. The decision is a purposeful one, governed by the criterion of the common good of the community. Counterpoint: buttons . Without proclaiming expertise on the subject, I think this is an overly romantic view of the Amish, and most of their decisions (like any religious/religiously-adjacent demographic) are based on vibes an…

Could you explain by what you mean regarding "Counterpoint: buttons "? I wasn't previously aware of how buttons were viewed among the Amish, and all the results I found were varying degrees of "it's complicated", e.g.: https://www.amish365.com/buttons-amish/ And while I would agree that stating "The decision is a purposeful one, governed by the criterion of the common good of the community" may be over-romanticizing…

I mentioned the semi-prohibition on buttons not because it's particularly important, but rather because I don't think there's any rational case to proscribe them specifically. (Any more important technology I could cite would have some greater defense as to why it's truly worthy of prohibition, simply by ignoring the positives.) As you point out, buttons are not inherently more flashy than fasteners, and indeed the actual reason they're proscribed is because of Victorian era politics.

Again I want to emphasize I'm no Amish expert or even anti-Amish. Merely that I have a lifelong suspicious outlook on religions and cultures that proscribe what they hate rather than celebrate what they love. Such has an inherently centralizing effect on power, driven by communal emotion and ancient edicts rather than diversity and individually auditable reason.

Yet the Amish have my singular respect for their rite of Rumspringa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa) as there are not many Christian communities that see adherence to the faith as anything but mandatory, breaking away as anything but an existential threat. So I reserve my judgment about them since they defy easy categorization in my lived experience.

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Post by ajmurmann »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #650

I'm curious if there has ever been an instance where people have been able to "tame" a technology to consider a broader, societal good, or if we've always just been at the whims of how any particular tech naturally concentrates or dissipates power. For example, if you look at the boom of the middle classes in the mid 20th century, this appears to me largely a consequence of the fact that industrial technology at the…

The thought experiment of what would have happened if manufacturing had required much less labor to begin with night be an interesting one. We would have had fewer jobs but the equilibrium price of the products would also have been much lower. The money spent on labor didn't come from Ford alone it ultimately came from the costumers. Ford wouldn't have lowered prices out of the goodness of their hearts but because competition is real.

I expect prices of goods would have been much lower and the labor would have been used elsewhere and the comp would still have gone a comparable if not longer way because goods would have been so much cheaper.

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Post by FigurativeVoid »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #675
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #650

I'm curious if there has ever been an instance where people have been able to "tame" a technology to consider a broader, societal good, or if we've always just been at the whims of how any particular tech naturally concentrates or dissipates power. For example, if you look at the boom of the middle classes in the mid 20th century, this appears to me largely a consequence of the fact that industrial technology at the…

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people." The whole idea of "taming technology" starts from a flawed premise. The problem is with people, not the technology.

Technology shapes behavior. To ignore that is to ignore history.

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Post by goosejuice »

crooked-v wrote: post #532
goosejuice wrote: post #461

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In this case spiritual and political are one in the same.

Only if this is also the Pope declaring that women can be priests.

I'm simply pointing out that it's a ecclesiastical monarchy. Political office and religious authority are intertwined. One woman has reached a cabinet level position as of 2025, something allowed for the first time in 2022. Even she can't perform the full duties of her job because they require a title only a man can be granted.
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