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Post by hart_russell »

ifwinterco wrote: post #278
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

As a Brit I'm here for it to be honest, I'm tired of America with everything that's going on. China is not perfect but a bit of competition is healthy and needed

Americans are also tired with what’s going on.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

I just wished more Chinese companies would start setting up shop outside of China so that we could all work for them

I’ve talked to the folks over at Unitree multiple times and they say “yeah we’ll be hiring overseas soon” and then they never do and they only have five openings in China

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by dandaka »

embedding-shape wrote: post #721
mchusma wrote: post #718

At first, I was more excited about the Flash model, but I'm now more excited about the Pro model in many ways. I feel like the Pro model with an Run through unsloth, and with some fine tuning, is gonna be enough for many vertical SaaS applications. Where previously I was wary to under-provide the intelligence level, I'm now more excited about the idea of being able to give these pretty large intelligent models to my…

> The idea that for basically sub-agents, we can fine-tune them, should reasonably expect to perform as well as Opus for a specific subtask of which my applications have many [...] we can run a general-purpose intelligent model, Sonnet or Opus, orchestrating a fleet of, let's say, 30 to 50 of these sub-agents that have been fine-tuned I've heard so many people saying this for the last year, and even tried doing it my…

I guess it depends on a task. Opus is already spawning Sonnet/Haiku for simple tasks with a good success rate.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by gordonhart »

rohanm93 wrote: post #153

This is shockingly cheap for a near frontier model. This is insane. For context, for an agent we're working on, we're using 5-mini, which is $2/1m tokens. This is $0.30/1m tokens. And it's Opus 4.6 level - this can't be real. I am uncomfortable about sending user data which may contain PII to their servers in China so I won't be using this as appealing as it sounds. I need this to come to a US-hosted environment at a…

Since it's open weights it'll be available on AWS Bedrock soon(ish), likely at a higher price than the official API but still coming in under those GPT-5-mini prices.

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Post by copypaper »

LZ_Khan wrote: post #729

It's easy to praise Deepseek for its results and generosity -- how they can keep up with frontier labs on Huawei chips for a fraction of the cost! -- but let's not forget a big part of their toolkit is heavy distillation of SoTA.

Let's also not forget SoTA models stole from us.

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Post by ai-x »

chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

Can you exactly point to me how US Tech firms are "falling apart".

Deepseek is a mid model. not SOTA.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

Deepseek is distilled from other SOTA models. Without them, deepseek would not be possible.

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Post by hodgehog11 »

bnm04 wrote: post #690
hodgehog11 wrote: post #304

There are quite a few comments here about benchmark and coding performance. I would like to offer some opinions regarding its capacity for mathematics problems in an active research setting. I have a collection of novel probability and statistics problems at the masters and PhD level with varying degrees of feasibility. My test suite involves running these problems through first (often with about 2-6 papers for conte…

Have you also tried the Pro versions of ChatGPT and Gemini (Deep Think)?

Yes to both, I'm paying for them and use the top-tier thinking models.

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Post by LeFantome »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #332
chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

Thankfully, DeepSeek is the most open of the model providers.

And in the hardware side, RISC-V is gaining a lot of traction in China. So the dependency on a single supplier is lower with the Chinese tech stack than with most western options.

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