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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by armadyl »

anonymousiam wrote: post #659
armadyl wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what the OP does, but at least for me I find myself chained to Google Voice for SMS 2FA use because it's basically the only phone number provider that cannot be exploited with a sim swap attack (same deal with Google Fi). And while I don't necessarily trust Google, their account security is leagues ahead of anyone else imo. I previously looked at jmp.chat but they didn't really inspire confidence on the…

My use cases include 2FA and I like the added security that Voice provides, but it's not really added security, it's just moving the risk from your cell provider to Google. IMHO, Google does security better than the cell providers do. I like the muti-platform integration of Voice. I use it on my iPad, on my Android phone, and mostly from my desktop. It works well on all platforms. When I'm at home, I mainly use my Vo…

> it's just moving the risk from your cell provider to Google

Yeah and imo Google has better account access controls than any other mobile provider, especially if you enroll in the Advanced Protection Program.

The main downside of GV that I didn't have with jmp.chat is that numbers are almost guaranteed to be detected as VOIP which sucks but whatever.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by kmacdough »

unselect5917 wrote: post #714
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #705

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> Yes? Why would a government allow people who aren't citizens to come in and protest on its soil about its actions? Because the definition of what a "protest" is is very arbitrary and can be defined to suit your political agenda.

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Criticizing the government is not hostility. Its wanting to move towards a better country. This is EXACTLY what the 1st amendment is intended to protect. Whether the legal system decides it applies here is one question, but there are heaps of documents and communications between founding fathers and other figures making this clear. Many of those folks were immigrants themselves. So the idea that it wouldn't apply to legal immigrants is wildly out of line with the founding ethos of the country.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by ap99 »

laughing_man wrote: post #662
ap99 wrote: post #657

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a visa can be revoked just that easily. It's a guest pass. When getting a visa you're basically asked to agree to America's terms of service. Violations can be found pretty easily in the fine print if someone is really looking. From there it's the same administrative work to revoke and deport as it is to say ban someone from Twitch for saying the wrong thing.

They can revoke your visa for supporting terrorist organizations. And they make the list of terrorist organizations, so...

And you have a problem with that? Why?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by direwolf20 »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

I think settled law may be that it applies to everyone in the US, but the settled reality is that none of the amendments apply to anyone, and more generally, there are no human rights in the US.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by nobody9999 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #730
nobody9999 wrote: post #727

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Now if you search for the USS Liberty, you get no results and instead a hardcoded link to a 'holocaust museum' website as the only result. That's a lie. A search[0] shows these as the first three results: USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia [1] USS Liberty incident | Facts, Deaths, & Investigation | Britannica [2] 'We're Fed Up With It': Survivors of the USS Liberty Look for Answers [3] In fact, the entire first page (…

> That's a lie. A search[0] shows these as the first three results: > [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=USS+Liberty&ia=web Hmmm. Someone with the barest modicum of honesty might have noticed that the comment above you was talking about searching on TikTok, not on DuckDuckGo.

Oops. Missed that part.

Not dishonesty, just carelessness.

Since I'm old and don't use TikTok, I have no way to confirm or deny the results of searches on TikTok.

If what GP claims (I doubt it) is true, that's certainly a problem and another reason why folks shouldn't use an entertainment platform to get their news.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by unselect5917 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #730
nobody9999 wrote: post #727

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Now if you search for the USS Liberty, you get no results and instead a hardcoded link to a 'holocaust museum' website as the only result. That's a lie. A search[0] shows these as the first three results: USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia [1] USS Liberty incident | Facts, Deaths, & Investigation | Britannica [2] 'We're Fed Up With It': Survivors of the USS Liberty Look for Answers [3] In fact, the entire first page (…

> That's a lie. A search[0] shows these as the first three results: > [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=USS+Liberty&ia=web Hmmm. Someone with the barest modicum of honesty might have noticed that the comment above you was talking about searching on TikTok, not on DuckDuckGo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gz7RO0jXkAAWsW5?format=jpg&name=...

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by unselect5917 »

nobody9999 wrote: post #735
thaumasiotes wrote: post #730

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's a lie. A search[0] shows these as the first three results: > [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=USS+Liberty&ia=web Hmmm. Someone with the barest modicum of honesty might have noticed that the comment above you was talking about searching on TikTok, not on DuckDuckGo.

Oops. Missed that part. Not dishonesty, just carelessness. Since I'm old and don't use TikTok, I have no way to confirm or deny the results of searches on TikTok. If what GP claims (I doubt it) is true, that's certainly a problem and another reason why folks shouldn't use an entertainment platform to get their news.

>If what GP claims (I doubt it) is true

Here's a screenshot someone took of a TikTok search for "the uss liberty" https://x.com/hayasaka_aryan/status/1963236545231527957

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by unselect5917 »

jchanimal wrote: post #728
unselect5917 wrote: post #714

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The behavior at issue is not hostile, it’s a patriotic duty. We typically laude immigrants who assimilate, so why not in this case?

>it’s a patriotic duty.

For Americans, not foreigners.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by unselect5917 »

kmacdough wrote: post #732
unselect5917 wrote: post #714

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Criticizing the government is not hostility. Its wanting to move towards a better country. This is EXACTLY what the 1st amendment is intended to protect. Whether the legal system decides it applies here is one question, but there are heaps of documents and communications between founding fathers and other figures making this clear. Many of those folks were immigrants themselves. So the idea that it wouldn't apply to…

We're not talking about an American criticizing his country though. We're talking about a foreigner.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by valianteffort »

direwolf20 wrote: post #734
Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

I think settled law may be that it applies to everyone in the US, but the settled reality is that none of the amendments apply to anyone, and more generally, there are no human rights in the US.

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