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Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by dghf »

dijit wrote: post #714
dghf wrote: post #673

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This myth keeps getting repeated. It hasn't been true since 1949, when British subjects in the UK became Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies. In 1983, the status of CUKC was renamed to British citizen (for those CUKCs resident in or closely connected with the UK: the situation in the remaining colonies was more complicated). At the same time, the status of British subject was officially restricted to those fe…

Ironic, because I feel like they’re the same, it’s semantic feely words that are different. Right to vote was already established before the change of the name (subject->citizen). So, what changed? Well subjects have “privileges” that are afforded from the monarch, and citizens have “rights” which are given from the state. Except: 1) In olde english law, the monarch and the state are literally the same thing. 2) Righ…

I think I've heard something similar -- that subjects have duties while citizens have rights.

But of course, citizens typically also have duties -- commonly, the duty to take up arms to defend the state -- and subjects can legitimately expect a reciprocity of obligations from the sovereign (e.g. the enforcement of the "King's Peace"), which sounds quite a bit like rights to me.

(All of which is a verbose and not very coherent way of saying that I agree with you.)

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by dTal »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #721
dTal wrote: post #708

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case it wasn't clear, my comment was sarcastic. To be absolutely clear, I don't agree with racial discrimination. So that we don't talk past each other, here is a summary of my perspective of the discussion so far: NoMoreNicksLeft dropped an unhinged rant about "England for the English", including a clearly sarcastic and mocking reference to "They have strength in their diversity". joe_mamba chimed in with "divers…

> witnessing open racial segregationism on HN You are misinterpreting something. "Diversity" is not exclusively about race.

The comment that started all this was explicitly about race. Here's a quote:

> England doesn't want to be a land for the English, because to do so would make them racist. They have strength in their diversity. Blah blah blah.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by philipallstar »

dTal wrote: post #728
philipallstar wrote: post #695

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This was already happening, it's just they were on your team and you were happy. One of the most obvious things to have happen is the overriding power of the left in tech and all the right (and centre-left) people warning that when the pendulum swings all the left-wing people who love giving authority more power will regret it. As though all authoritarian left wing countries in history were not evidence enough, they…

Firstly, I don't appreciate, at all, being told what "team" I'm on, or the smug tone that I'm now "learning a lesson". When you come on HN, leave that sort of thing at the door, please. I'm being polite but I'd like you to imagine this worded in the strongest possible way that is acceptable for whatever culture you happen to be from. Include swear words if it helps. I don't know of any "big tech" going out of its way…

Unless you think I appreciate your first paragraph, it's a bit hypocritical to do something I don't appreciate while berating me for same.

> I don't know of any "big tech" going out of its way to enforce left wing values.

I believe you, and I think that is exactly the problem.

> The relatively recent shift towards right wing values is also rooted in self interest

I agree, but this is why neither left nor right should be cheering for corporations enforcing hate speech rules (set by whomever is in power), shadow bans for the right wing voices, bans for people questioning the efficacy of the covid vaccine, or for questioning vaccine mandates, etc etc. The opinions of authoritarian left wing people for 10 years are now being ignored (well, not in HR departments and all the other places left wing authoritarianism exists) and the left seems to view that change as a rise in authoritarianism.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by epolanski »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #590
epolanski wrote: post #427

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> In any case, since you're unaware, Canada and EU have legislation that prohibits Canadian and European companies from obliging with US embargo of Cuba. That is, I can face criminal charges in Europe or Canada for refusing services to Cuba. Yet almost everyone in those countries falls inline with US law because frankly the US is the exception and it's laws de facto apply in Canada and the EU.

No we don't, the EU is the biggest trade partner of Cuba, Spain alone is 19% of foreign trade.

US laws do not apply beyond US borders, period. Complying with them in Europe is a felony.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by epolanski »

senordevnyc wrote: post #543
epolanski wrote: post #397

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It doesn't matter where 4Chan is incorporated if it offers a service available to other countries. If I offer a service in US I still have to respect US law, it doesn't matter that I'm based in Luxembourg or New Zealand. The same applies in reverse. E.g. many US news outlets never cared to implement gdpr and geoblocked European users from accessing their websites.

I run a site in the US and have zero intention of implementing GDPR or geoblocking anyone. If the feckless EU bureaucrats don’t want me serving Europeans, they can either block me or convince their citizens to stop requesting things from my servers. Beyond that, they can fuck off.

It doesn't work like that.

If my services are available in US, I need to comply with US laws as well.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by bheadmaster »

nehal3m wrote: post #591
kulahan wrote: post #583

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Ofcom could do it too if they had like 25 aircraft carriers and 2 of the 3 largest air forces on the planet, the best intel network, the most advanced tools, the backing of a $25T economy, the…

Might makes right I guess.

Always has.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by philipallstar »

dTal wrote: post #708
philipallstar wrote: post #694

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That's neither here nor there. Just get the best people. Or are you against the current racial makeup of the earnings of the top NBA players?

In case it wasn't clear, my comment was sarcastic. To be absolutely clear, I don't agree with racial discrimination. So that we don't talk past each other, here is a summary of my perspective of the discussion so far: NoMoreNicksLeft dropped an unhinged rant about "England for the English", including a clearly sarcastic and mocking reference to "They have strength in their diversity". joe_mamba chimed in with "divers…

Ah I think I understand. I definitely think the point is worth making that England seems to be one of the only places on earth that doesn't value - or even recognise the existence of - its own native population, even as a point of debate. It's definitely nothing to do with segregation, which is just something else.

No one in most countries would argue that their native population doesn't exist as a category. In fact while in the US the native Americans have been treated very badly in the past, that hopefully doesn't happen too much today, and they are quite honoured in some ways.

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Post by philipallstar »

dTal wrote: post #732
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #721

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> witnessing open racial segregationism on HN You are misinterpreting something. "Diversity" is not exclusively about race.

The comment that started all this was explicitly about race. Here's a quote: > England doesn't want to be a land for the English, because to do so would make them racist. They have strength in their diversity. Blah blah blah.

But not about segregation.

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Post by imtringued »

3rodents wrote: post #146
oliwarner wrote: post #140

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But if a Brit comes to your country and buys cocaine from you, in person, you wouldn't expect to be convicted as a dealer in the UK. Ofcom has a bad handle on web requests . Clients connect out. 4chan et al aren't pushing their services in anyone in the UK.

If we want to base the argument on technical nuance, 4chan are sending their packets to the U.K. just as the cocaine dealer would be sending packets (of cocaine) to their buyers in the U.K.

The technical argument is that the routers that are physically located in the UK are passing the packets through, not the website operator.

This is the same as letting a delivery cross your borders, except the delivery vehicle here is permanent infrastructure, similar to a pipeline and it is purposefully set to be permissive and allow anything through.

Why are you suddenly pretending that there is no equivalent to the customs office in this scenario?

It's not like the website operator is sneakily smuggling cargo on a container ship. VPN usage is done UK citizens. The operator has already denied shipments to UK addresses in this scenario.

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Post by indiangenz »

dTal wrote: post #708
philipallstar wrote: post #694

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's neither here nor there. Just get the best people. Or are you against the current racial makeup of the earnings of the top NBA players?

In case it wasn't clear, my comment was sarcastic. To be absolutely clear, I don't agree with racial discrimination. So that we don't talk past each other, here is a summary of my perspective of the discussion so far: NoMoreNicksLeft dropped an unhinged rant about "England for the English", including a clearly sarcastic and mocking reference to "They have strength in their diversity". joe_mamba chimed in with "divers…

The biggest racial discrimination in today's UK is their inability to arrest and put an end to grooming gangs. Get educated on the subject to understand whats being insinuated by the slogan they have "diversity" as their strength. Most of western Europe & UK are unable to handle crime committed by certain groups, for fear of being labeled racists. Well, there is a teacher in UK in "hiding" because he offended the wrong people. In summary, UK neither has the soft power nor the moral authority to influence anyone in the today's world.
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