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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Another commenter stated the P cores can be scaled down to be E cores dynamically, so why not?

I wonder if they'll get to good enough scaling from E to Super where they don't really need to distinguish anymore?

There's still a difference when it comes to die size and transistor counts dedicated between the two core types.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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It won’t handle serious tasks but I have Gemma 3 installed on my M2 Mac and it is good for most of my needs—-esp data I don’t want a corporation getting its hands on.

What kind of tasks are you using it for? I haven't really found any uses for small models.

Nothing like coding, just like relatively basic stuff. Idk its hard to explain but I use AI so frequently for work that I have a sense for what it is capable of.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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With OpenClaw and powerful local models like Kimi 2.5, these specs make a lot of sense.

K2.5 isn't remotely a local model

Technically you can get most MoE models to execute locally because RAM requirements are limited to the active experts' activations (which are on the order of active param size), everything else can be either mmap'd in (the read-only params) or cheaply swapped out (the KV cache, which grows linearly per generated token and is usually small). But that gives you absolutely terrible performance because almost everything is being bottlenecked by storage transfer bandwidth. So good performance is really a matter of "how much more do you have than just that bare minimum?"

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I have a fairly maxed out M2 Ultra (24 cores, 192GB RAM), and still cannot get this machine to choke on anything. I have not once felt the need to upgrade in years, and that’s with doing pretty demanding 3D and LLM work.

Mine is an M2 Max with only 32GB of RAM and while I'm sure you're doing things that would choke it, and there are a few things I'd like to be able to do but can't, it's insane how rarely I ever notice load on it. It feels like it'll be sufficient for a long time.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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>Time to first token measured with an 8K-token prompt using a 14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization Oh dear 14B and 4-bit quant? There are going to be a lot of embarrassed programmers who need to explain to their engineering managers why their Macbook can't reasonably run LLMs like they said it could. (This already happened at my fortune 20 company lol)

I don’t really get why people are smack talking this, are there other laptops available that can do better?

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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization seems rather small

For anyone who has been watching Apple since the iPod commercials, Apple really really has grey area in the honesty of their marketing. And not even diehard Apple fanboys deny this. I genuinely feel bad for people who fall for their marketing thinking they will run LLMs. Oh well, I got scammed on runescape as a child when someone said they could trim my armor... Everyone needs to learn.

my mac mini m4 is getting to be a good substitute for claude for a lot of use cases. LM Studio + qwen3.5, tailscale, and an opencode CLI harness. It doesn't do well with super long context or complexity but it has gotten production quality code out for me this week (with some fairly detailed instructions/background).

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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It won’t handle serious tasks but I have Gemma 3 installed on my M2 Mac and it is good for most of my needs—-esp data I don’t want a corporation getting its hands on.

What kind of tasks are you using it for? I haven't really found any uses for small models.

I run Qwen 3.5 30B MOE and it’s reasonable at most tasks I would use a local model for - including summarizing things. For instance I auto update all my toolchains automatically in the background when I log in and when finished I use my local model to summarize everything updated and any errors or issues on the next prompt rendering. It’s quite nice b/c everything stay updated, I know whats been updated, and I am immediately aware of issues. I also use it for a variety of “auto correct” tasks, “give me the command for,” summarize the man page and explain X, and a bunch of tasks that I would rather not copy and paste etc.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Nano-texture is worth the upgrade if you are on a macbookpro whatever M and dont have it. For those of us with astigmatism it's really night and day experience.

I was considering it but got cold feet when I've been told that you could damage it when cleaning it. When I open/close my laptop I leave a ton of finger prints. I'm not too good with delicate hardware stuff.

I clean mine routinely and it's fine for me. I did recently start keeping a thin cleaning cloth on my keyboard for when I close it though. Oil from my fingers on the keyboard was getting on the screen.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Mine still runs like the first day I had it. There's basically nothing that is limiting me with the machine as it is, everything is just me being slow to code. I don't see why I need a new computer at the moment. In the past, I always got to a stage where the machine felt sluggish.

Yeah my M1 is still insanely snappy. Would be nice to have some extra legroom for things like compilation, but I'm far from feeling this device isn't sufficient for me.

My work laptop is m4 and my personal is m1. I barely notice the difference.
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