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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by adventured »

busko wrote: post #546
grey-area wrote: post #531

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Yep, where does your trust lay now? It's been a minute of pretending it'll be okay.

Nothing has changed in decades regarding this. People just like to pretend something new is happening, because they're extremely desperate to proclaim a fundamental turning / ending of the US (which is why every single event brings out those claims: this time is different! America will never recover from this! etc).

US tech companies were previously forced into compliance with PRISM or threatened with destruction (see: escalating fines to infinity against Yahoo, forcing their eventual compliance).

You know what's new? This administration is doing out in the open what used to go on quietly.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by snickerbockers »

scarmig wrote: post #480
snickerbockers wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>an unprecedented action it's also unprecedented for a contractor to suddenly announce their products will, from now on, be able to refuse to function based on the product's evaluation of what it perceives to be an ethical dilemma. Just because silicon valley gets away with bullying the consumer market with mandatory automatic updates and constantly-morphing EULAs doesn't mean they're entitled to take that attitude w…

> it's also unprecedented for a contractor to suddenly announce their products will, from now on, be able to refuse to function based on the product's evaluation of what it perceives to be an ethical dilemma That is a deeply deceptive description of what happened. Anthropic was clear from the beginning of the contract the limitations of Claude; the military reneged; and beyond cancelling the contract with Anthropic (…

>Anthropic was clear from the beginning of the contract the limitations of Claude

No, that's not what they said.

"Two such use cases have never been included in our contracts with the Department of War, and we believe they should not be included now".

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by pavel_lishin »

> We hope our leaders will put aside their differences and stand together to continue to refuse the Department of War's current demands for permission to use our models for domestic mass surveillance and autonomously killing people without human oversight.

Hope is neat, but are the signatories willing to quit their jobs over this? Kind of a hollow threat if not.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by iso1631 »

grey-area wrote: post #531

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Not really a turning point, the US has been turning for months, ever since the felatio of inauguration. This is just another rung on the ladder

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by iso1631 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #733

> We hope our leaders will put aside their differences and stand together to continue to refuse the Department of War's current demands for permission to use our models for domestic mass surveillance and autonomously killing people without human oversight. Hope is neat, but are the signatories willing to quit their jobs over this? Kind of a hollow threat if not.

Maybe their union will call a strike

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by rambojohnson »

grey-area wrote: post #531

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

outside of just the tech sector, this country has already crossed MANY irreversible turning points. also, good luck with your midterm elections. we have started war with Iran. cheers from Barcelona from this American refugee.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

SauntSolaire wrote: post #136
BitsAndObjects wrote: post #89

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The UK and Europe welcome the US Footgun Operation. Plenty of opportunities for those top researchers and engineers over here. The EU (which is not the same as Europe), is also looking a bit sharper on AI regulation at the moment (for now… not perfect but sharper etc etc).

To make 1/10th the salary they're making now?

> To make 1/10th the salary they're making now?

Yeah, and also be slapped with some unrealized capital gains tax on assets they acquired while working in the US...

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by rayiner »

gruez wrote: post #729
rayiner wrote: post #719

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>That’s not their call to make. Inventors of technologies that could be used for war have never had the right to deny access to those technologies to the elected civilian government.[1] >[1] The government can make you go over to southeast Asia and kill people personally. Is this a normative statement? In other words are you simply claiming "the government has men with guns and therefore can force people/companies do…

It’s a descriptive statement about the law. But you’re mischaracterizing the normative principle underlying the law. It’s not based on power, but rather the moral duties incumbent on citizens.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by ray_v »

iso1631 wrote: post #735
pavel_lishin wrote: post #733

> We hope our leaders will put aside their differences and stand together to continue to refuse the Department of War's current demands for permission to use our models for domestic mass surveillance and autonomously killing people without human oversight. Hope is neat, but are the signatories willing to quit their jobs over this? Kind of a hollow threat if not.

Maybe their union will call a strike

Ha! Good one!

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by troyvit »

anon84873628 wrote: post #708
childintime wrote: post #701

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was when the supreme court judged he could act like a king, the summer before he was elected, inventing things the constitution never said and setting the example of lawlessness Trump now follows up on confidently.

And continuing to pull on that thread, when the Senate refused to vote on Supreme Court nominees for the president in 2016.

Call it the pebble that started the landslide but I lay it at the Patriot Act, which was passed in October, 2001. The passing of the law was bad enough but the subsequent extensions of the law by both parties cemented the government's intent.

In other words we might have killed Osama Bin Laden, but he won. The U.S truly is a "shadow of it's former self."

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