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A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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SunshineTheCat wrote: post #252
wredcoll wrote: post #233

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> The reality is, most government "solutions" cause more problems than they solve The "reality" is that propaganda heavily encourages you to ignore the government successes and only focus on the failures. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine who benefits from that.

> "government successes" Please, name for me one product or service that the US government has created, that people willingly buy, that has made your life tangibly better. I can list a billion made by businesses. Please, go for it. Just one.

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Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by solid_fuel »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #724
solid_fuel wrote: post #598

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> Developers are still burdened with additional liability if they have reason to believe users are underage, even if their age flag says otherwise. This is true, but > The only way to mitigate this liability is to confirm your users are of age with facial and ID scans, This doesn’t follow. It says “if” the developer has clear reason, it doesn’t obligate the developer to collect additional information or build a profi…

Post where?

> a developer has internal clear and convincing information

Internally from the perspective of the developer implies: on the platform in question.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by tzs »

heavyset_go wrote: post #569
tzs wrote: post #117

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This law doesn't do anything that prevents non-anonymous access. Here's how you would access things anonymously if you bought a new computer that implemented this. 1. When you set up your account and it asks for your birthdate, make up any date you want that is at least far enough in the past to indicate an age older that what any site you might use that checks age requires. 2. Access things the way you've always don…

As with all age verification bills, the fact that developers are opened up to liability if children access content they're not "supposed to" means that facial scans and ID checks will be implemented as they currently are everywhere. From the bill: > (3) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), a developer shall treat a signal received pursuant to this title as the primary indicator of a user’s age range for purpos…

The cheapest and easiest way to minimize liability is not to collect any information not needed to actually provide the service you are providing.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by bobmcnamara »

rm30 wrote: post #327

This law perfectly demonstrates the constraint problem: regulators assumed age verification is a simple checkbox at account setup. Right now I'm on an ESP32 with free RTOS, will I need to add a keyboard and display just for age verification?

Are there even accounts?

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by nomel »

anikom15 wrote: post #699
nomel wrote: post #692

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So say one of the 50% of children that have unrestricted access goes somewhere they shouldn't, or interacts with people they shouldn't. How is it detected so the parents can be held liable? What does the implementation look like to you?

The same way anything illegal is detected: a police report.

You misread my comment.

How is it detected? A police report is for after it's detected.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by nomel »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #601
nomel wrote: post #584

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> robust detection and enforcement How, exactly, does one accomplish "robust detection of a child"? I assume your answer would include complete surveillance of all internet communication? Could you expand on your idea of the implementation?

Sorry if I wasn't clear - I am proposing that the adults face the robust detection and enforcement of anti-grooming laws. One method is to set up honey-pots with law enforcement officers playing the part of an innocent child (i.e. avoiding entrapment) and then throwing the full weight of the law behind any adult showing predatory behaviour. What I propose is rather than putting all the effort into preventing children…

I think an obvious problem for this method is scaling, partly from grooming not being a local phenomenon. It would require worldwide cooperation, especially in a few countries that are statistical offenders.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by LoganDark »

bluehatbrit wrote: post #691
LoganDark wrote: post #550

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Obviously the solution is to ban their use of all social media so those pesky bash oneliners can't be shared in the first place!

Absolutely not, that would prevent profits to big political donors. Instead we should ban bash oneliners, or ID gate them. No loops or pipes (etc) unless you've handed over government issued ID.

Then we can build a centralized database of government IDs and use them to make deepfakes, send spam in the mail and perform identity theft. Genius!

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by adastra22 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #478
adastra22 wrote: post #279

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Why do you think you will still be able to install Linux?

Whatever you're talking about there has effectively nothing to do with this law.

It very well might. We don't know. Secure boot enforcement of OS that comply with this requirement is not part of the law, but it is not clear how this law will be interpreted by regulators. There are certainly lobby interests that would prefer that outcome.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by trinsic2 »

upofadown wrote: post #599
rendaw wrote: post #597

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It doesn't say "only if there's a covered application store present on the system". But maybe everyone in power will interpret this non-logically in exactly the right way that this doesn't become abusive.

Laws are designed and intended to be reasonable. I think you are using an inappropriate form of logic here. The intent of the law is fairly obvious.

you really think that? with this admistration? Please.
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