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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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We are all assuming Anthropic can elect not to do a deal with the Pentagon, and put conditions on it.

But Hegseth and Trump are abusing federal powers at a rapid clip.

I'm guessing Anthropic would regret any deal with that administration, and could lose control of their technology.

(Stanford Research Institute originally limited their DoD exposure, and gained a lot of customers as a result.)

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are After 20 years of everyone in this industry saying "we want to make the world a better place" and doing the opposite, the problem here is not really related to people's "understanding". And before the default answer kicks in: this is not cynicism. Plenty of folks here on HN and elsewhere legitimately believe that it…

I don't even think both things are contradictory. People that put too much value in their ideals tend to oversee the consequences of such ideals in real life and do wrong without deviating an inch from their ideals.

I can’t think of a single thing Meta does that isn’t driven by pure greed.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Google, OpenAI Employees Voice Support for Anthropic in Open Letter. We Will Not Be Divided https://notdivided.org/ ----- The Department of War is threatening to - Invoke the Defense Production Act to force Anthropic to serve their model to the military and "tailor its model to the military's needs" - Label the company a "supply chain risk" All in retaliation for Anthropic sticking to their red lines to not allow the…

They love their dictator until it backfires, that's a quite old story.

Google employees were generally pretty anti-Trump, it's the senior leadership and the recommendation algorithms that are pro-Trump.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Google, OpenAI Employees Voice Support for Anthropic in Open Letter. We Will Not Be Divided https://notdivided.org/ ----- The Department of War is threatening to - Invoke the Defense Production Act to force Anthropic to serve their model to the military and "tailor its model to the military's needs" - Label the company a "supply chain risk" All in retaliation for Anthropic sticking to their red lines to not allow the…

Unless it’s signed by the CEO it doesn’t matter

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

lol. no one with common sense ever bought this story. you might have and your turning point might be this deal but for many the turning point was stealing data for training, advocating against china and calling them an adverse nation, pushing to ban opensource alternatives deeming them as "dangerous", buying tech bros with matcha popup in SF, shady RLHF and bias and millions others

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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> These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as essential to national security. Nicely put. In other words: Department of Morons.

Are you reading things before agreeing with them? Or thinking about them? It doesn't seem obvious these things are contradictory at all. That Politico reports so doesn't make it the case.

It is clear that the DPA can be invoked for companies posing risks to national security:

> On October 30, 2023, President Biden invoked the Defense Production Act to "require that developers of the most powerful AI systems share their safety test results and other critical information with the U.S. government" when "developing any foundation model that poses a serious risk to national security, national economic security, or national public health."

Furthermore, it should be quite obvious that companies very important for national security can act in manners causing them to be national security risks, meaning a varied approach is required.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Anthropic doesn't want us to have the right to run open weight models on our own computers. They were never the good guys.

What I read is: Anything not open source, open weight, is evil. I disagree. The concept of nuance, putting things in context, is the source of all good in internet discussions.

No, but lobbying the government to prohibit open source / open weight models is evil.

They literally want to use state violence to control what we can do on our own computers.

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