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Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by infecto »

ndriscoll wrote: post #677
infecto wrote: post #663

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I just fail to see your argument. You are paying for Claude code or Antigravity. Not for the raw underlying compute. It’s not about reading T&Cs but the expectation is just because you are paying for a service does not give you the right to freely use the API however you want. Hence why I said it really reminds me of a private vs public API. Don’t be surprised if you get shutout of the private API. All subscriptions…

I wouldn't expect consumers to even be aware that API keys exist, much less know the pricing differences. When I go to the Google One plans page, it just says I get all these AI things with higher limits. Then there's some tools that can use my account to do cool stuff. I wouldn't expect that a program that's logging into an AI service that I pay for as me to do AI things is it all untoward? No more than running a bo…

That’s a fair point if you are just shooting from the hip then I can see it happening and being shocked. Still surprising to see the shock here on HN I would expect most to understand why it would not be a viable path.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #343
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #155

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We can debate on the policy. The punishment, of being kicked out of your Google account for a zero-tolerance first offense, is completely unreasonable, is incredibly extreme Lawful Evil alignment. The damage to individuals that Google is willing to just hand out here, to customers they have had for decades, who have their lives built around Google products, is absurd. This is criminally bad behavior and whatever the…

> this is an affront to the dignity of man This right here is an insane take to the opposite direction. Abuse, violence, torture, war, oppression, these are affronts to the dignity of man. Being kicked off a service from one business is absolutely not . It’s an inconvenience, but does not determine whether you will have bodily integrity. By this logic, eviction from an apartment is a torture regardless of what the te…

Given how many accounts folks sign up for with their Google account, it very well could mean losing access to bear every single account you have online. That could be an enormously difficult travail.

Yes I think there's many situations where being kicked out of your apartment would be an affront. If this made up crime of jaywalking got folks kicked out? Yes that would be an affront.

I'm willing to taper my outrage down some. Are you willing to come up some?

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by nanobuilds »

nanobuilds wrote: post #218

So what is a "good-enough" model to use for OpenClaw now that the subscriptions are blocked. Is there an all you can eat subscription model that can be used?

in case someone else is looking for this.. openai-codex/gpt-5.3-codex is working okay for now but eventually i'd like to switch to a self hosted one somewhere.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by cyrusradfar »

Reading the thread, there are two non-issues and one big issue.

1. Can a company change their ToS to clarify that you can't "hack" their Oauth for other tools -- Yes, no question

2. Should they enforce the ToS, absolutely

The elephant in the room is Google has no support infrastructure and setup no notice drip campaign before they started banning out-right.

They could've easily rate-limited or even blocked requests authed from apps outside Anti-gravity, but banning entire accounts is pretty ridiculous. It'll just lose them very eager AI enthusiasts who are the audience they NEED to grow their new experiments.

It's bad business and not in their best long-term interests. Big fail. This is the way a startup may act because they're going broke on traffic -- not Google.

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Post by twohaibei »

Chaosvex wrote: post #534
shevy-java wrote: post #433

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> Also, getting banned without warning is rough as well. Agreed. The lesson is: do not become dependent on Google. Ever. (Unfortunately I still use youtube and a chromium-based browser. Long-term I hope to find alternatives to both problems. Google search I no longer need because Google already ruined it a few years ago; the quality now is just horrible. I can not find anything useful with it anymore.)

Literally just use Firefox.

Zen browser. Or floorp.

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Post by moontear »

bombela wrote: post #566
moontear wrote: post #469

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Time and time again it is shown to *not* use your main account for everything. This goes for Apple and having a separate account for development work, for the App Store and your main iCloud account but this also goes for all other SaaS providers. You are doing groundbreaking new and untested stuff with Claw? Do not use your main account. You want to access your main account's data? Sure, allow it via OAUTH/whatever p…

> Time and time again it is shown to not use your main account for everything. Good luck opening new google accounts for separation of concern. The new account is banned before the eula page finishes loading. Google sends code via text msg to my main account phone number to unban, without me ever even filling a phone number. After a day the account was banned again and pending automatic deletion. The appeal then took…

I have multiple Google Accounts and I am running them at the same time without problems. If you really want to separate things use different browser profiles per account. My work Google account never touches my private Google account in terms of browser profiles.

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Post by hrimfaxi »

cyberax wrote: post #485
hrimfaxi wrote: post #321

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Do you have some countries in mind where that's illegal?

The US, the Sherman Antitrust Act prohibits predatory pricing.

So if I could charge less for chicken because I use that as a doorbuster to get you inside the store, but I charge more for other items, that is predatory pricing and against US law?

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Post by cyberax »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #729
cyberax wrote: post #706

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Yes? Netflix had 20 million subscribers in 2010. At additional $50 per year per subscriber, that's $1B a year. More than enough to be profitable with regular loan financing at market rates. > So how would that have helped smaller competitors? Where were they going to get the money from to compete if not other lines of businesses or borrowing? By borrowing at market rates and pricing services to cover the loan payment…

You just said that Netflix shouldn’t borrow money because it was anti competitive And I can’t believe that this conversation just went to companies should borrow money instead of reinvesting its own profits. Really?

No, I'm saying that using Netflix cross-financing to borrow money to operate below cost is anti-competitive. Not borrowing in general.

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Post by bombela »

moontear wrote: post #736
bombela wrote: post #566

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> Time and time again it is shown to not use your main account for everything. Good luck opening new google accounts for separation of concern. The new account is banned before the eula page finishes loading. Google sends code via text msg to my main account phone number to unban, without me ever even filling a phone number. After a day the account was banned again and pending automatic deletion. The appeal then took…

I have multiple Google Accounts and I am running them at the same time without problems. If you really want to separate things use different browser profiles per account. My work Google account never touches my private Google account in terms of browser profiles.

I never had issues with work accounts created via google workplace.

Google forbids you to have multiple identities. It's stated clear in their term of service. Any account you create must be linked to the same identity.

This means that it is trivial for them to ban all your accounts at once.

This also means that the 2factor is difficult to separate. Somebody with an unlocked access to my phone can hijack all my Google accounts by starting a password recovery.

Even though I made sure to never share my phone number to the new account, and I never loggued with it on my phone, and used a different browser session on desktop, it still forcefully sends a notification to my phone when I login because my login is suspicious it says. There is still no phone registered on the new account.

During reinstation of the banned accout I also got a scary msg essentially saying that if they denied my appeal, they might also ban my main account. Chilling.

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