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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by OJFord »

hirako2000 wrote: post #695
phamilton wrote: post #331

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As an experiment, I set it up with a z.ai $3/month subscription and told it to do a tedious technical task. I said to stay busy and that I expect no more than 30 minutes of inactivity, ever. The task is to decompile Wave Race 64 and integrate with libultraship and eventually produce a runnable native port of the game. (Same approach as the Zelda OoT port Ship of Harkinian). It set up a timer ever 30 minutes to check…

$3 z.ai subscription? Sounds like it already burned $3k I find those toys in perfect alignment with what LLM provider thrive for. Widespread token consumption explosion to demonstrate investors: see, we told you we were right to invest, let's open other giga factories.

How's it burned $3k on a $3/month subscription running for a few days?

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by jascha_eng »

whazor wrote: post #697
Traster wrote: post #650

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It really is quite funny though isn't it. Yes, it's a fucking hand grenade that will blow up at any moment. It's perfect for a one man band startup. Because there's massive upside and at the end of the day if it blows up he's just back to sqaure one, what did you expect from a 1 man band. But wait. Here he comes. Hero of the hour. Sam Altman. Let's take that wildly dangerous, lightly thought through product, and give…

OpenClaw is more like an art project than a consumer product. It has shown clear consumer product demand. The next step is making it a safer consumer product.

> OpenClaw is more like an art project than a consumer product

I think this is true for a lot of vibe coded applications. Never thought about calling it an art project but it hits home.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by elAhmo »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

You focused only on the past few months of his career, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. He was active for more than a decade, from early iOS development days to having a fairly successful exit.

So after almost two decades of hard work, it is not really fair to say he just vibe-coded his way into OpenAI.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by m000 »

erikbye wrote: post #537
tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…

> you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products

Or, in this case, just because they need a poster boy for their product, which isn't as good as they say it is.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by elAhmo »

imjonse wrote: post #590
enieslobby wrote: post #583

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I see a guy who has shown evidence that he has the skill and agency to successfully ship and scale a project that people want, pushing the frontier tools to their limits. That is valuable.

> a project that people want, do many people actually use openclaw (a two week old project IIUC) or is it just hyped up?

Many people use it.

Also he made a few other products, some of which were used probably by more than a billion people.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by beaker52 »

hobofan wrote: post #581
phamilton wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an experiment, I set it up with a z.ai $3/month subscription and told it to do a tedious technical task. I said to stay busy and that I expect no more than 30 minutes of inactivity, ever. The task is to decompile Wave Race 64 and integrate with libultraship and eventually produce a runnable native port of the game. (Same approach as the Zelda OoT port Ship of Harkinian). It set up a timer ever 30 minutes to check…

So, you don't know if it has produced anything valuable yet?

It's the same story with these people running 12 parallel agents that automatically implement issues managed in Linear by an AI product team that has conducted automated market and user research.

Instead of making things, people are making things that appear busy making things. And as you point out, "but to what end?" is a really important question, often unanswered.

"It's the future, you're going to be left behind", is a common cry. The trouble is, I'm not sure I've seen anything compelling come back from that direction yet, so I'm not sure I've really been left behind at all. I'm quite happy standing where I am.

And the moment I do see something compelling come from that direction, I'll be sure to catch up, using the energy I haven't spent beating down the brush. In the meantime, I'll keep an eye on the other directions too.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by cookiengineer »

erikbye wrote: post #537
tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…

You are replying to someone whose account name is tabs_or_spaces, which in itself is so ironic that I have no word for it.

What people don't seem to realize is that like you pointed out there's a demand for the previous "developer relations" type of job though, and that job kind of evolved through LLM agents into something like an influencer(?) type position.

If I would take a look at influencers and what they're able to build, it's not that hardcore optimized and secured and tested program codebase, they don't have the time to acquire and hone those skills. They are the types who build little programs and little solutions for everyday use cases that other people "get inspired with".

You could argue that this is something like a teacher role, and something like the remaining social component of the human to human interface that isn't automated yet. Well, at least not until the first generation of humans grew up with robotic nannies. Then it's a different, lower threshold of acceptance.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by asim »

Well that was a crazy month. Kudos to this guy for recognising his goals which is not to start another company. It is very easy to get intoxicated by the idea of something being so successful that you can capture the value, especially after having struggled for so long with a previous company. I think it's every founder's dream to like just hit lightning. But this stuff is incredibly stressful and it's important to be able to look into the future and ask yourself. Is this what I want? Is this what I need in my life? And the answer here is no. This person can deliver value elsewhere quite easily and get the reward without as much stress. We should all take a lesson from this whirlwind journey. Do not attempt to be like Peter. You can admire the work he's done. Do not attempt to replicate it. Appreciate it for what it is. For yourself as an observer or a user it's a lesson. But also to note that this is an anomaly. You will never replicate it. A lot of people feel a little bit of envy or jealousy. I used to feel that when I was working on something and I saw other people succeed and I wished that that had happened to me. But if it was meant for you it would find you. And the fact that it hasn't found you means that it was not meant for you. We all have our role to play. There is something important for us to do and that's not necessarily something that is world famous or amasses thousands of GitHub stars. If after reading this it's still bothering you. Take a walk and reflect on the good things in your life.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by hirako2000 »

OJFord wrote: post #731
hirako2000 wrote: post #695

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$3 z.ai subscription? Sounds like it already burned $3k I find those toys in perfect alignment with what LLM provider thrive for. Widespread token consumption explosion to demonstrate investors: see, we told you we were right to invest, let's open other giga factories.

How's it burned $3k on a $3/month subscription running for a few days?

I simply don't get how it could have run for quite a while and only cost $3. Z.ai offers some of the best model out there. Several dollars per million tokens, this sort of bot to generate code would burn millions in less than 30 minutes.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by b3lvedere »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_95AKKmqGvE

Semantics and grammar joke aside.. there are not many workers remembered in history. Only the so-called absolute greatest, meanest, etc are remembered. Nobody remembers the people who worked on the pyramid, but everyone knows some Farao.

In this case they hired someone who has 'mastered' the use of their own tool(s). Like if Home Depot hired a guy who has almost perfect knowledge of each and every tool in their own portfolio.

I'm not really sure if i want to be that guy.

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