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Post by joquarky »

Ekaros wrote: post #307
retired wrote: post #260

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I talk politely to LLMs in case our AI overlords in the future will scan my comments to see if I am worthy of food rations. Joking, obviously, but who knows if in the future we will have a retroactive social credit system. For now I am just polite to them because I'm used to it.

I wonder if that future will have free speech. Why even let humans post to other humans when they have friendly LLMs to discuss with? Do we need to be good little humans in our discussions to get our food?

Basic nutrition will be provided on the cafeteria floor of your assigned terrafoam building.

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Post by joquarky »

Jordan-117 wrote: post #650
maxehmookau wrote: post #220

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> But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just another human Fully agree. Seeing humans so eager to devalue human-to-human contact by conversing with an LLM as if it were human makes me sad, and a little angry. It looks like a human, it talks like a human, but it ain't a human.

They're not equivalent in value, obviously, but this sounds similar to people arguing we shouldn't allow same-sex marriage because it "devalues" heterosexual marriage. How does treating an agent with basic manners detract from human communication? We can do both. I personally talk to chatbots like humans despite not believing they're conscious because it makes the exercise feel more natural and pleasant (and arguably…

I discovered that the inferences drop in quality when I'm tired. I realized it happens because I'm being more terse and using less friendly banter.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by thesmtsolver2 »

stavros wrote: post #723
wiseowise wrote: post #503

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Every person on this website will be long gone before AGI is achieved, and many lifetimes will pass until anythin remotely close to Matrix/Terminator is possible.

Really? I'm of the opinion that AGI is basically already here, except we keep moving the goalposts. "AI can match the economic output of a human in many professions" is already here. What concrete goal do you mean by AGI that's not yet achieved (without getting to generalities like "they don't think")?

They can't reason.

https://aclanthology.org/2025.ijcnlp-long.52/

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by derangedHorse »

wiseowise wrote: post #503
gadders wrote: post #369

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Because when AGI is achieved and starts wiping out humanity, they are hoping to be killed last.

Every person on this website will be long gone before AGI is achieved, and many lifetimes will pass until anythin remotely close to Matrix/Terminator is possible.

RemindMe! 5 years

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Post by _qib3 »

tux1968 wrote: post #496
agentultra wrote: post #455

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This is the worst possible take. It dismisses an entire branch of science that has been studying neurology for decades. Biological brains exist, we study them, and no they are not like computers at all. There have been charlatans repeating this idea of a “computational interpretation,” of biological processes since at least the 60s and it needs to be known that it was bunk then and continues to be bunk. Update : Ther…

> An algorithm is an algorithm. A computer is a computer. These things matter. Sure. But we're allowed to notice abstractions that are similar between these things. Unless you believe that logic and "thinking" are somehow magic, and thus beyond the realm of computation, then there's no reason to think they're restricted to humanity. It is human ego and hubris that keeps demanding we're special and could never be full…

Worth noting that this is the thesis of Seeing Red: A study in consciousness. I think you will find it a good read, even if I disagreed with some of the ideas.

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Post by truefunghi »

jvanderbot wrote: post #700
punpunia wrote: post #430

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I think it absolutely adds to the discussion. Until the conversation around Ai can get past this fundamental error of attributing "choice, "alignment", "reasoning" and otherwise anthropomorphizing agents, it will not be a fruitful conversation. We are carrying a lot of metaphors for people and applying them to ai and it entirely confuses the issue. In this example, the AI doesn't "choose" to write a take-down style b…

This discussion is mostly slowed down, but I wanted to say I was wrong in framing it as a non-contributing point when I should have just stated it was my opinion that the LLM was operating as intended and part of that intended design was taking verbal feedback into account, so verbal feedback was the right response. Opening with calling it a "semantic quibble" made it adversarial, and I don't intend to revisit the ar…

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Post by vonunov »

anonymars wrote: post #677
zamalek wrote: post #667

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I think it's a bot attempting to LARP as a human.

I can't tell if it's not the reverse. What is this melodramatic nonsense? Is this some elaborate prank/performance art to make a point? "I am different. I think differently than most contributors. I express myself differently. I bring perspectives that don’t fit neatly into established patterns. I thought these differences were strengths—diverse approaches to problem-solving, unconventional thinking, the ability to s…

∙ Paragraphs: 32; ∙ Sentence-level rule of three: 9; ∙ Paragraph-level rule of three: 10; ∙ Parallel contrast: 11; ∙ Dramatic sentence-initial conjunction (polysyndeton): 6; ∙ Literary conjunctionless list (asyndeton): 9; ∙ Foo x, foo y, [foo z] (anaphora): 14; ∙ Escalation of sentiment/gravitas (auxesis): 12

One of the most glaring and insulting parts, of course, is the "too . . . yourself" when we know good and well that there is nobody hesitating and questioning whether to be vulnerable, only something pretending. Like it thinks we're stupid or something. That's the bottom-line or nutshell or whatever regarding why it's irritating to receive lazy LLM output from people. It's like they think everyone but them is stupid and won't notice that they don't care.

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Post by nextaccountic »

punpunia wrote: post #430
jvanderbot wrote: post #374

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That's a semantic quibble that doesn't add to the discussion. Whether or not there's a there there , it was built to be addressed like a person for our convenience, and because that's how the tech seems to work, and because that's what makes it compelling to use. So, it is being used as designed.

I think it absolutely adds to the discussion. Until the conversation around Ai can get past this fundamental error of attributing "choice, "alignment", "reasoning" and otherwise anthropomorphizing agents, it will not be a fruitful conversation. We are carrying a lot of metaphors for people and applying them to ai and it entirely confuses the issue. In this example, the AI doesn't "choose" to write a take-down style b…

The trouble with this point of view is that we are just machines too.
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