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AI is killing B2B SaaS

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Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

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1. The whole point of developer time is to save user time; if a developer can do that then it's worth it. 2. If the in-house software doesn't decrease training time or support costs then there is something wrong there.

1. No. The point of having engineers is to build product and make you money. They cannot make you money if you waste their time on building internal apps that do not make you money. There's no point in saving $20K on an SaaS app if you use $100K in developer time and miss out on $1M of potential revenue. We get paid the big bucks because we can make companies a lot of money. 2. Haaaa no, that's 100% not how that work…

> The point of having engineers is to build product and make you money.

You're making the assumption that all software development is for software products. My work supports a non-software industry. Every minute that I save of user's time translates into more time they can use to make money.

> There's no point in saving $20K on an SaaS app if you use $100K in developer time and miss out on $1M of potential revenue.

If the SaaS app is $20K, I would agree. Probably the cheapest we have is $30K per year, most are an order of magnitude more than that. And it doesn't take a $100K of developer time to replace some of them.

> Haaaa no, that's 100% not how that works. If you buy a SaaS product, the company made that product. They have documentation. They have training. You can hire people who have worked on that system before. If it goes down, they get paged.

Haaaa no, that's 100% not how that works. You buy a SaaS product then you pay them to install, configure, customize it. That can a small amount or a large amount. That can take a small amount of time or years. You can maybe hire people who have worked on that system, but probably not, and it's mostly bespoke knowledge that only a small amount of people have. They aren't cheap. But you might be entirely dependent on the vendor.

If it goes down, you have to put in a support ticket. You wait. Everyone is still on your case but you can't do anything about that. If you have access, sometimes you can fix it yourself -- and you do -- because waiting for support to do it properly is awful. If it's screwed data, good luck, they're not good at fixing that. Anytime anyone has any questions? Another support ticket. None of these people work for free; expensive support contracts. The level of support you get is completely divorced from that cost. You can't pay less if the support is terrible, you can't pay more to get better support (not that you would want to).

If I write the tool and it goes down, I can fix it. Awesome. If it screwed up the data, I'm more than capable of fixing that. If anyone has any questions, guess what, I actually know the answers. The company pays me for these services. When I quit, the app can be easily fixed because it's all standard technologies that lots of people know. Those SaaS tools? They're the black box that nobody knows how to configure, customize, or fix. The vendor isn't interested in doing anything more than the minimum needed to close the ticket.

> It might look safe or easy to get into, but good luck getting out of them.

Just try and switch away from your cloud SaaS product. You might not even be able to get your data out.

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

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What I meant is that most commercial software has a large number of code paths. Because it’s built incrementally, not holistically. This creates complexity and cost. If you’ve only worked on that kind of software it’s hard to know the alternative which is to aggressively prune code paths and rework your main code. And open source example is Quake. I rarely come across software whose inherent complexity is more than q…

Yeah, that's not what the person you were replying to is talking about. I was explaining the jargon. Complexity and LoC has nothing to do with "only coding for the happy path". Both complex and simple software can be written this way. A great example is the moltbook hilarity. They slapped together something that looked good and did function -- in the happy case only. They put together an "authorization" flow but expo…

I think you are not considering what I’m saying.

I’ll put you in the “it’s impossible to make software” camp.

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

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Great insights Namanyay!

I feel the same way about needing to build platforms that enable companies to build on top. That's why i'm building adventureflow.ai to enable energy companies to build their agentic workflows directly on top of my platform.

The expectations have completely changed now, customers expect more software for less, because it is 5-10x cheaper now or faster to build and there's no changing that. Tools like Opus 4.5 have completely disrupted the software marketplace!

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

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Possibly, but I don’t think it’s certain. For a SaaS to capture, you’d need a forward deployed engineer model. And then I would have ten different FDEs to liaise with, none of whom know my domain. Vs if I contract a shop, then I have a dedicated team ramped up on my domain who then can vet infra providers and choose the best tech. So potentially still some SaaS, but probably shifting more to PaaS. Similar to how you…

I think with a SaaS you're trading user research and workflow design for a certain lack of customization, and that for 90% of businesses that will remain the right call. (And for the ones where it's not the right call, I think the contractor model also makes more sense than in-house LLM-generated-user-tool teams. That's a lot of code to pile up under a very small team for long-term maintenance. Yeah, "the agents can…

I could believe that SMB SaaS doesn’t change much, but the vast majority of revenue is from enterprise.

I think enterprise SaaS is where you’ll see big changes.

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

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I can relate to this so much. When I was a newly joined Google consultant at a partner firm, we went to their office - some 13 different types of cuisines, different types of game rooms, lounges and what not. A luxury star hotel experience. We were waiting for our meeting on behalf of this one particularly large media client who was bleeding money on Wordpress. 3 engineers arrived - fashionably late. We explained the…

Thanks for sharing! Every time I see a post about Elixir and how it Just Works™, I get an urge to learn and build something with it.

Definitely give it a shot. It's a wonderful language and the rewards are immense for the little effort you put in. I promise you, you'll never look back once you fall in love with it!

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

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“Overkill for 85% of people” is a vibes statistic, not an argument. Also you're generalizing some things to the whole sector like every software provider now is useless and the new features they add are not bringing any values. How can you make such generic statements about a sector that is so diverse? I start to suspect some of you are just private-equity-sponsored accounts trying to push Anthropic propaganda over t…

People in tech are so wildly detached from how everyday people on the ground use computers.

By people in tech you mean the tech bros that do not actually code, just emit opinions on the Internet, right?

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

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It's a tale as old as time that developers, particularly junior developers, are convinced they could "slap together something in one weekend" that would replace expensive SAAS software and "just do the parts of it we actually use". Unfortunately, the same arguments against those devs regular-coding a bespoke replacement apply to them vibe-coding a bespoke replacement: management simply doesn't want to be responsible…

I'm a manager too, but I'm also the new guy pushing the solution to a human problem: work management. SMAR, ASAN, MNDY, etc. Not only do people not want to be responsible for it (and in some cases simply be "not responsible"), not only is the internal solution "too time consuming", the only answer thus lands on hiring external consultants to implement and maintain massively-overkill-$olution$ in $aa$ like CRM, NOW, e…

And since you became management, you have refered to software only by the stock symbols of the owning companies?

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

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1. No. The point of having engineers is to build product and make you money. They cannot make you money if you waste their time on building internal apps that do not make you money. There's no point in saving $20K on an SaaS app if you use $100K in developer time and miss out on $1M of potential revenue. We get paid the big bucks because we can make companies a lot of money. 2. Haaaa no, that's 100% not how that work…

> The point of having engineers is to build product and make you money. You're making the assumption that all software development is for software products. My work supports a non-software industry. Every minute that I save of user's time translates into more time they can use to make money. > There's no point in saving $20K on an SaaS app if you use $100K in developer time and miss out on $1M of potential revenue. I…

> You buy a SaaS product then you pay them to install, configure, customize it.

Ok, hold up. That is not a SaaS app lol. That is an on-prem installation. Very very very very much not the same thing.

The entire point of SaaS is you don't install it on prem. SaaS directly competes with what you're talking about.

Before you go declaring an industry is dead, at least understand what it is.

> My work supports a non-software industry. Every minute that I save of user's time translates into more time they can use to make money.

Sure. The corollary to that is every minute your app doesn't work you cost them money. If you fuck up and store protected data the wrong way or lose data because it tipped over, you're also costing them money.

Replacing some tinkertoy nobody relies on is easy. If your app is in the hot path, congrats, you're now critical infrastructure lol. This is the Bad Place.

> When I quit, the app can be easily fixed because it's all standard technologies that lots of people know.

I can tell you have never had to clean up one of these apps. Knowing the technology is not the issue. It's figuring out all the random decisions and details and load-bearing parts and reverse engineering someone's weird tooling without breaking things. It sucks real bad because you don't know what you don't know.

> Just try and switch away from your cloud SaaS product. You might not even be able to get your data out

Sure you can. Getting the data is the easy part. In the very worst case, you might have to pay them or get someone in management to scream at them, but it's the easiest part of that kind of project.

It's the rest of that kind of project that's tricky. Replacing a critical live system without downtime is Srs Bizness.

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

#739

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> or AI will be good enough to unvibe it it already is just point Claude Code at a Claude Code codebase you forgot about for a few weeks with no plan.md or agents.md or memory.md implemented configure the session correctly this time and put it in plan mode, it will deal with your whole database schemas, migrate, tie everything to the new models correctly, make a backend deployment script, and fix your UI/UX

Not my experience at all. Claude Code is impressive but it needs to be used iteratively for serious development and requires lots of testing. Need it to one shot that report against your db using React/Typescript? Or pump out a web form that submits to your backend? works every time. Need it to do something a little more creative? It frequently fails in subtle ways that aren't apparent until later.

nobody was talking about one-shotting

but I could see why we would be talking past each other, there's one-shotters and everyone else

Re: AI is killing B2B SaaS

#740
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The trick is to build stuff that is hard to vibe code

Yes, that is not the random SaaS product, possibly not any SaaS software at all.

Its not that hard.

I am building a desktop app that deploys and manages high availability postgres instances on VPS right now..

The AI is constantly failing at helping me because its about generating and managing remote configuration that is very fragile if something is missing.

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