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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This is not about AI but about censorship of a nonaligned social network. It's been a developing current in EU. They have basically been foaming at the mouth at the platform since it got bought.

It's about a guy who thinks posting child porn on twitter is hilarious and that guy happens to own twitter. If it was about blocking the social media they'd just block it, like they did with Russia Today, CUII-Liste Lina, or Pavel Durov.

He said that child pornography is funny? Do you have a link by any chance?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> when notified, doing nothing about it When notified, he immediately: * "implemented technological measures to prevent the Grok account from allowing the editing of images of real people in revealing clothing" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8gz8g2qnlo * locked image generation down to paid accounts only (i.e. those individuals that can be identified via their payment details). Have the other AI companies fo…

Kiddie porn but only for the paying accounts!

Who's going to provide their payment details and then generate kiddie porn?

This is a pretty pragmatic move by Musk.

It's basically a honey trap, the likes of which authorities legitimately use to catch criminals.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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post #632

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Enforcement of anti-CSAM law has been a significant thing for a long time. It's in no way "only now". Even the "free speech" platforms banned it because they knew they would get raided otherwise. There are long standing tools for dealing with it, such as a database of known hashes of material. There's even a little box you can tick in Cloudflare to automatically check outgoing material from your own site against that…

> What's new is that X automated the production of obscene or sexualised images by providing grok. Yes we are now dealing with an automated Photoshop. And somehow the people in charge have decided to do something about it, probably more for political or maybe darker reasons. So let me make a suggestion: maybe France or the EU should ban its citizen from investing in the upcoming SpaceX/xAI IPO, and also Microsoft, NV…

> Yes we are now dealing with an automated Photoshop. And somehow the people in charge have decided to do something about it, probably more for political or maybe darker reasons.

I don't get what's difficult to understand or believe here. Grok causes a big issue in practice right now, a larger issue than photoshop, and it should be easy for X to regulate it themselves like the competition does but they don't, so the state intervenes.

> maybe France or the EU should ban its citizen from investing in the upcoming SpaceX/xAI IPO, and also Microsoft, NVIDIA, OpenAI, Google, Meta, Adobe, etc. ?

You're basically asking "why do a surgical strike when you can do carpet bombing"? A surgical strike is used to target the actual problem. With carpet bombing you mostly cause collateral damage.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM Sigh. The French raid statement makes no mention of CSAM.

What does it say? I can't read French

Going from the BBC:

Among potential crimes it said it would investigate were complicity in possession or organised distribution of images of children of a pornographic nature, infringement of people's image rights with sexual deepfakes and fraudulent data extraction by an organised group.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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There is no content like that on Bluesky nor Mastadon. Show the evidence

https://bsky.social/about/blog/01-17-2025-moderation-2024

"In 2024, Bluesky submitted 1,154 reports for confirmed CSAM to the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). Reports consist of the account details, along with manually reviewed media by one of our specialized child safety moderators. Each report can involve many pieces of media, though most reports involve under five pieces of media."

If it wasn't there, there would be no reports.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Elon has ICBMs, but France has warheads.

France has Ariane, which was good enough to send Jame Web Telescope to some Lagrange point with extra precision. It's all fun and and games until the French finish their cigarette, arms French Guyana and fire ze missiles.

France has a little more than that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_de_dissuasion

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> CSAM does not have a universal definition. Strange that there was no disagreement before "AI", right? Yet now we have a clutch of new "definitions" all of which dilute and weaken the meaning. > In Sweden for instance, CSAM is any image of an underage subject (real or realistic digital) designed to evoke a sexual response. No corroboration found on web. Quite the contrary, in fact: "Sweden does not have a legislativ…

This is the actual law (Brottsbalken 16:10a) https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/sven... A person who 1. depicts a child in a pornographic image, 2. disseminates, transfers, provides, exhibits, or otherwise makes such an image of a child available to another person, 3. acquires or offers such an image of a child, 4. facilitates contacts between buyers and sellers of such images of children or take…

> This is the actual law (Brottsbalken 16:10a)

Thanks, but what "the" actual law? Your one doesn't contain the purported Swedish CSAM definition, or any for that matter. Nor does it even mention abuse.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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post #736
post #671

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There is no content like that on Bluesky nor Mastadon. Show the evidence

https://bsky.social/about/blog/01-17-2025-moderation-2024 "In 2024, Bluesky submitted 1,154 reports for confirmed CSAM to the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). Reports consist of the account details, along with manually reviewed media by one of our specialized child safety moderators. Each report can involve many pieces of media, though most reports involve under five pieces of media." If it…

But that is the difference, they actually do something against it.
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