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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

> When we piss everyone off in the EU tech company growth gets kneecapped and limited to US

well, you can finally hardcode the date in mm/dd/yy format without worrying for a menu to change it.

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Wtf am I reading... How can you even suggest moving from Jallianwala bagh when so many people were killed in the most gruesome way. I suggest you to watch the documentary once and then go ahead and suggest the same. > Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years. ??? No, it is our bloody past that we will never forget what the British did that day. Even British historians from documentaries mention that people…

FYI, you seem shaken by what you saw, but I do have to point out a few things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre 1. This massacre happened 107 years ago. None of the people involved are even alive any more. In some cases even their children or grand-children are no longer with us. Judging children by the sins of their parents leads nowhere. 2. Holding grudges for so long does not seem healthy fo…

So continuing from my past comment which did get extremely long but I hope that I could capture the nuance.

My point's probably that EU and Indian relations feel the most easy to form out of any major world right now and honestly I do have a bit of bias in here as I wish to create private solutions or open source solutions from India and the EU market and its privacy conscious users feels better connection if EU and India themselves are connected better and I am feeling like the chances of that happening is quite high.

But I guess politics tricky and I can be wrong, I usually am so yeah. But I am just gonna build private (or Open source solutions) and have a bit of focus within EU market as well.

Politics isn't really my best suit because I like to come to agreements and politics in this case is trying to tangle the untangled which feels pretty tricky to do such I guess but I also really like talking about India-EU relation so yeah. Probably sacrifices must be made & looking for hopefully a healthy discussion of politics which I didn't witness in the GP's comments being honest.

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I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general) I wouldn't consider it a rant per se but rather that India's trying to move towards an multi polar deal and EU and India actually has a more net negative and Indians are wary of…

India has literally just finished agreeing a significant new trade deal with the UK.

I guess I can only give anecdotal evidence as there aren't any surveys about it but India posseses a historical resentment towards UK.

I guess only time will tell how the Indian public perceives such deal.

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For what its worth, I have to mention that India losses more on this deal than Europe because India's actually for the first time iirc imo giving up tariffs or reducing them. India has the highest tariff rates for a developing country from the start (indiscriminant) and is only offering upgrades to EU mostly fwiw in terms of this free trade deal. I have heard this deal be described as EU beneficiary from EU sources.…

Both may benefit. Some will lose. If benefits overweigh losses then ok. Well Rapido bike means Auto-wallas are angry. That is reality. The highest tariffs are holding India back. A decent original nike shoe is about €50 here but why it is Rs5000 there (with lower Purchasing power). Local businesses have too long bribed Indian politicians. Recently I replaced the gate of my house here in EU. It was 20 years old. No ru…

I am not saying India's perfect. Far from it.

All the issues you mention are valid and I guess it all boils down to some aspects of over population and also crowding within the CS market too which impacts passionate people in CS too (something I wrote about as well)

But like I feel like leadership skills in India will go far. It's time to go and build things instead of trying to be consumers. The people who do this in India are gonna get rewarded disproportionately in my opinion.

I will just do my work building new things which isn't work for me but fun which I enjoy. So yeah!

Edit Leadership skills don't mean leading people but rather like I guess I meant Innovative skills in the sense of building new things and everything ykwim tho leadership skills can go far too, I feel like innovation skills are more needed too and the same point goes for both essentially imo.

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If you’re assessing things entirely on a strategic basis makes total sense. It’s understandable why they are doing it but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s underrated or suggest there are no drawbacks. Duplicating things without reason is wasteful. With a hobby project sure that’s your own time and is likely more an act of consumption and personal fulfilment. But these are national economic resources being redirect…

I mean there are pros and cons to many things. What I mean by underrated is just that a lot of people say "oh duplication, how wasteful" and don't realize the benefits that may exist in redundancy and diffusion. I think the US would benefit right now if there was more "duplication" in the sense of greater diversity across many industries. More car makers, more film studios, more news organizations, more social media…

You know you CAN actually quantify how bad or good these things are in what respect and their second order effects. The trades off are pretty well understood. Increasing returns to scale are a thing, as are natural monopolies where consolidation is more efficient even with the headaches that comes with regulating a monopoly.

Car makers, entertainment companies, news organisations are very different kinds of industries to the ones we’re talking about here. They aren’t natural monopolies and don’t feature increasing to scale (at all output levels). In media, the reasons we’re seeing consolidation is due to entry barriers primarily with how IPs protections work. This is entirely unrelated.

Also you’re talking about this entirely from a consumers point of view. From economy wide point of view, duplication of a product will pull resources away from other industries that might be more profitable for a country. Which is bad for the same reason tariffs are bad. These are real costs that will affect quality of life and crowd out desirable economic activity.

Just circling back to this original article. This is arguably not one of those cases.

But redundancy and duplication purely on principle is dogmatic and shortsighted, and yes wasteful. We don’t have infinite resources in the world.

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They've already invested in Matrix. Why not use that?

Yeah, I remember reading about an article on France govt adopting element/matrix. Surprised it didn´t go mainstream in other departments/companies/people.

though it's interesting it's using livekit which Element adopted as well for Element Call

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Outscale is kind of the stereotypical bureaucratic French thing. It's made by Dassault, that's better known for industrial stuff (like SolidWorks), not for modern-ish software. For a more of an AWS replacement, look at Scaleway. It really is more what we think about when talking "public cloud": self-serve compute, with lots of managed services, actual API and Terraform, actual K8s, etc. (managed services is why I don…

I love Scaleway, been using it since micro ARM64 bare metal offerings they've now deprecated. Just saw Outscale in one of the announcements thus the reason I've checked them out. Obviously, Hetzner is also great, as a European example.

I'd put Hetzner in the same bucket as OVH: solid infra company at a more than competitive price, but lacking in managed products. In my experience, they're more reliable than OVH though.

Outscale has the advantage of a huge pile of money behind them, as well as a natural endorsement from gov agencies. They'll lack the niceties, but provide certifications from day one. Different motivations. They're not really meant to be a public cloud in the same sense as the big three. It's kind of the same deal as the Lidl "cloud", which is more of a private cloud managed by someone else meant to run SAP monsters.

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Europe will then redirect the 300B euros it was investing in US treasuries annually to Eurobonds, while redirecting the $300M in purchasing from US companies to EU companies. This is biting the hand that feeds the US. Europe will buy LNG from Canada instead of the US, and continue to purchase imports from China. I agree though that a strong EU is needed, in part to defend against the US, as well as Russia (until the…

lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war.

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This is what you were told the Democrats ran on, not what they ran on. You got all your information from partisans who lied about the other party.

>This is what you were told the Democrats ran on It's straight from the horses mouth mate. Plenty of dems were on social media vocal how the issue is many white men. Here: Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) "I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country. And so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe,…

None of those people were running for president, and none of that is part of the Democrat party platform.
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