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Does an ICE officer have any more rights than any other random non-ICE murderer? Can the police put them in prison for murdering?
> Can the police put them in prison for murdering? Of course they can, but the governor and mayor know that ordering the police to do this means they completely lose what little control they have over the police, since the police support ICE and will believe it to be their patriotic duty to refuse the order.
Why don't you guys have cool news like "man with punisher t-shirt downs 10 ICE agents and threatens the organization on camera"?
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I don’t know you but I hope wherever you are you’re safe and have a good idea of what your next steps are going to be. I’m getting increasingly distraught over what’s happening myself. It’s starting to affect my family life and I’m having a lot of trouble coping. Venting on the internet is a way for a lot of people to come to grips with what they’re seeing. I understand. If this is what helps you cope, I won’t stop y…
I don't hate you. I'm frustrated with your mental gymnastics. Because your entire thread here boils down to this > it just fits a pattern of “administration does something abhorrent, people get mad, social media amplifies the anger, it turns into real world deaths I need you to pay attention to how you're writing. You are laying the deaths of these people squarely on the left for how they react to abhorrence. And if…
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If it's really true that "some of the richest and most powerful people in this country and on this planet look at this website", what do we want them to see here? Do we want them to see enraged people saying the same things that they keep hearing over and over and thus dismiss as background noise? Or do we want them to see intelligent, thoughtful people having sophisticated discussions and making new points that migh…
We were discussing post level moderation and not comment level moderation. I'm suggesting the site allow more politics, I'm not condoning abandoning all the site’s rules. I don't think the level of discourse in the comments is being improved by the current level of post level moderation. The most noticeable impact is simply prompting tangents into the post level moderation itself like it did here which arguably lower…
The whole reason we can't have these posts on the front page is that the comments in the threads so frequently break the guidelines and turn the site into a place that repels people who want to have thoughtful discussions. So there is no yet-known way to have our cake and eat it; the presence of these stories on the front page means abandoning the site's rules, because so many commenters are unable discuss them in a way that respects the site's rules. And the outcome of this is that it pushes HN towards being irrelevant, precisely because these discussions offer so little that powerful people would find persuasive.
I would love it if HN could be the very best place for discussing difficult topics and be a place where we really could push politics in the right direction. That can't happen if the discussions about the most important topics rapidly devolve into easily-ignored background noise.
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And we've seen what allowing people to promote hate speech with no restraint does to a nation. When it's over, and it will be, Americans need to start from scratch, iterate and write a new constitution, create new institutions and build a new system.
We've also seen what very rigid hate speech policing does to a nation in Germany... and AfD seems to be doing pretty well. It's almost as if those laws are mostly just performative bullshit that doesn't actually prevent the spread of violent ideologies when the environment is conductive to them.
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ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an e…
> Much of the time they seem to be trying to bait folks into an encounter Those are kids playing to be cops. If the PS5 was affordable to people with such a low level of education they'd be playing CoD at home.
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ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an e…
> They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Many of them are experienced and trained. The man who shot Renee Good served in Iraq, worked for Border Patrol for two decades and was literally a firearms instructor[1]. This is just what cops, reactionaries and psychopaths will do when they know that they have carte blanche to do anything they want, including murder. No…
So assuming it's random lack of training when he does it again seem far too charitable.
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Don't bother interacting with the other guy. He's a known troll that comes to every discussion about ICE and tries to put the blame on the victim, and then rants about Obama for some reason. This guy is in full support of the recent ICE murders. Moderation still hasn't banned the guy, of course.
There's no incentive for moderation to take action as long as it aligns with their "curious discussion" initiative, regardless of how disruptive they are to the forum as a whole. It's basically sealioning.
Why don't you guys have cool news like "man with punisher t-shirt downs 10 ICE agents and threatens the organization on camera"?
That gives them the martial law and unlimited terms they're looking for.