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Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by array_key_first »

unsungNovelty wrote: post #681
zamadatix wrote: post #567

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In all of these cases, 95% of the comments are by I wouldn't be surprised if 'lame' things like "videos look a lot more vivid in Chrome" (due to the years of lag getting HDR support in Mac/Windows) lost Firefox more users than they gained for maintaining support for MV3 uBO. I.e. fewer than 10% of FF installs have uBO installed, even after Chrome dropped it, but the volume of comments about MV3 would have led you to…

I am sorry sir. Somebody who says they want to put back control to people using Internet and someone saying humans over profit cant NOT expect pushback for their actions. They are going against the entire community. You cant go for the saviour of the open internet , BS the community and not get push back. I would argue mozilla doesnt have general audience like google chrome. They have OSS enthusiasts, privacy enthusi…

See this is kind of hitting the nail on the head here.

Mozilla is treated like a PhD holder and nobel prize winner, and Google is treated as a stupid baby.

When the stupid baby shits his pants, nobody cares. In fact, they expect it. But when the PhD student gets a tiny piece of information wrong about the French revolution, they're crucified and called an idiot.

Mozilla makes mistakes, but the objective reality is that even if you add up alllll the mistakes, they're MILES ahead of Google when it comes to how they treat their users.

Google Chrome users get fucked up the ass and then beg for more. Firefox users get sent flowers and chocolate and then complain the chocolate has nuts.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by lelanthran »

driverdan wrote: post #200
losvedir wrote: post #110

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I dunno. Public Defenders (and defense attorneys in general, but PDs don't get oodles of cash) have to work with some pretty reprehensible people sometimes. I used to live in Bahrain while my wife worked in oil and gas, and a lot of her colleagues had some... pretty different... views from us but we still got along. Hell, the country itself has a pretty significant Sunni / Shia divide, with employees being one or the…

> Public Defenders (and defense attorneys in general, but PDs don't get oodles of cash) have to work with some pretty reprehensible people sometimes. That doesn't mean they believe in the awful things their clients do.

That's the point. You don't need an alignment of beliefs to work together.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by array_key_first »

komali2 wrote: post #702
array_key_first wrote: post #539

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> Basically every product Mozilla releases is immediately met with extreme scourn and scepticism. While everyone else seems to get the benefit of the doubt, including the likes of Google, Mozilla seems to get the exact opposite of that. I've been thinking about this for a while, ever since The Framework DHH incident. Basically, framework sent DHH a free laptop and funded his ruby conference and "arch distro." DHH mea…

It's because, I think, these people need moral plausible deniability.

I think maybe they truly, deep down, want to use dell - for their convenience, availability, sleekness, and mainstream appeal. But they can't just do that. They need to find the right place to jump from their moral high ground. So they basically search for any excuse at all to ditch.

I know people who were so upset, supposedly, with Mozilla that they switched to chrome. Fucking chrome, dude.

I don't care how much you think pocket is advertisement. Chrome is basically 3 ads in a trenchcoat. Can we please be for real?

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by vladvasiliu »

Affric wrote: post #684
amluto wrote: post #677

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How about: Mozilla HTTPS To My Router (or printer or any other physically present local object) in a way that does not utterly suck? Seriously, there’s a major security and usability problem, it affects individual users and corporations, and neither Google nor Apple nor Microsoft shows the slightest inclination to do anything about it, and Mozilla controls a browser that could add a nice solution. I bet one could eve…

Apple mail steadfastly refusing to permit me to see an email address so I can verify the source of an email. Truly the most cursed.

How so? You can tap the from / to fields and it shows the addresses.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by estimator7292 »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #695
CuriousRose wrote: post #658

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Fully agree with this. - Mozilla SSL Certs - for corporations that don't want Let's Encrypt - Mozilla Mail - a reliable Exchange/Google Mail alternative (desperately needed imo) - Thunderbird for iOS - why is this not a thing yet? - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google - Mozilla HTTPS DNS - although Cloudflare will probably always do this better All seemingly low-hanging fruit with brand al…

> - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google As much hate as Brave gets overall, I think Mozilla should take a page from Brave's book if they're going to make a search engine. I think they should have their own index, possibly supplemented by Bing or Google. Let people opt-in to using their browsers to help crawl for the search engine index, like Brave does. Then add in some power-user features…

They could partner with Kagi. Pretty much everyone trusts Kagi, so if Mozilla convinces them to get on board, Mozilla must be actually serious about being trustworthy.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by estimator7292 »

this_user wrote: post #141
netdevphoenix wrote: post #118

I love Mozilla but this feels like marketing imo. From the article: "AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off" and "Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser". I highly doubt you will be able to turn of the transformer tech features in an AI browser imo. And they won't make a separate browser for this. This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla…

What even is an "AI browser"? It's a browser, it's mainly supposed to render web pages / web apps. There is no obvious reason why it would need any AI features.

If someone tries to sell you an AI browser, tell them I've got some pictures of apes to sell

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Post by vpShane »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #483
fsflover wrote: post #472

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> And just to add, I kind of mourn FirefoxOS. Today, we have Mobian, postmarketOS, PureOS and many more GNU/Linux OSes for smartphones.

It's too late. If I want to interact with modern society, I have to use banking apps, the NHS app, WhatsApp, numerous IoT apps... The list is endless. Many of these will refuse to run on rooted phones. Google and Apple won. We can learn from this and hope the next big thing to come along has some competition from the truly open source side of computing.

They didn't 'win' - use a laptop. Phones are decent for certain things but no, you don't need to use WhatsApp, IoT apps -- most have bluetooth, and you don't have to 'interact with modern society'

Interact with good circles of people and stuff. I mean, it's cool that my pixel is some mini high powered TPU computer that can run apps, F-Droid etc, but I only really care about the 5g data link within it.

If any app refuses to run due to rooted phone -> open a browser go to the web version.

I know that you know these things and I'm not trying to make any point other than: no, you don't have to use those things. but if you want to, you can.

the next big thing to come is already here, Linux with its infinite mix of desktop environments, user environments, distros with pre-set up things. You can have a device use your SIM/e-SIMS.

Google and Apple's push notification system being locked for what they deem allowed and control the push tokens, browsers have push notifications too.

All I'm saying is: Google and Apple didn't win anything and there's great things like GrapheneOS, plus Google's TPU chips are awesome.

But, they most certainly didn't 'Win' and 'modern society' is crazy.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by missedthecue »

dabockster wrote: post #644
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This site in general has a massive hate boner for any part of a corporate structure that isn't the engineering department. Sales, admin, marketing, legal, HR, etc... all get flak from the HN community for being irredeemably idiotic wastes of space.

"Hacker News commenters are frequently unaware that their use cases and customer preferences do not reflect the average customer demand in the market." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46192577 There's a reason I put that in my profile. :^)

One of my favorite examples of this is when HNers insist that if only an auto-manufacturer would make a simple car with tactile buttons and no screen or creature comforts it would sell like hotcakes.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by rvz »

glenstein wrote: post #242
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> This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla, sadly. The moment Mozilla failed to stop being dependent on Google's money whilst being true to their own mission in being a 'privacy first browser' it already was the end and the damage in trust was done. In 2007, the CEO at the time said they could live without Google's money - Now, their entire survival was tied to Google funding them [0] and got rewar…

>In 2007, the CEO at the time said they could live without Google's money Can you say more about where that quote came from? I'm seeing it as being from 2015. https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/firefox-make...

It is from an archived link which is also in my comment and the article's date is from 2007: [0]

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.compu...

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by dyauspitr »

CuriousRose wrote: post #658
gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

Fully agree with this. - Mozilla SSL Certs - for corporations that don't want Let's Encrypt - Mozilla Mail - a reliable Exchange/Google Mail alternative (desperately needed imo) - Thunderbird for iOS - why is this not a thing yet? - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google - Mozilla HTTPS DNS - although Cloudflare will probably always do this better All seemingly low-hanging fruit with brand al…

Agree with a lot of this except Mozilla Search. Search is already or very soon going to be an entirely LLM driven space.
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