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Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by ubutler »

mmaunder wrote: post #405

Weirdly, the blog announcement completely omits the actual new context window size which is 400,000: https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-5.2 Can I just say !!!!!!!! Hell yeah! Blog post indicates it's also much better at using the full context. Congrats OpenAI team. Huge day for you folks!! Started on Claude Code and like many of you, had that omg CC moment we all had. Then got greedy. Switched over to Codex…

> Weirdly, the blog announcement completely omits the actual new context window size which is 400,000: https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-5.2

As @lopuhin points out, they already claimed that context window for previous iterations of GPT-5.

The funny thing is though, I'm on the business plan, and none of their models, not GPT-5, GPT-5.1, GPT-5.2, GPT-5.2 Extended Thinking, GPT-5.2 Pro, etc., can really handle inputs beyond ~50k tokens.

I know because, when working with a really long Python file (>5k LoCs), it often claims there is a bug because, somewhere close to the end of the file, it cuts off and reads as '...'.

Gemini 3 Pro, by contrast, can genuinely handle long contexts.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by dolmen »

AstroBen wrote: post #408
malfist wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I ask you a question and you don't have enough information to answer, you don't confidently give me an answer, you say you don't know. I might not know exactly how many USB ports this motherboard has, but I wouldn't select a set of 4 and declare it to be a stacked pair.

No-one should have the expectation LLMs are giving correct answers 100% of the time. It's inherent to the tech for them to be confidently wrong Code needs to be checked References need to be checked Any facts or claims need to be checked

"confidently" is a feature selected in the system prompt.

As a user you can influence that behavior.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by jnordt »

tenpoundhammer wrote: post #295

I have been using chatGPT a ton over the last months and paying the subscription. Used it for coding, news, stock analysis, daily problems, and a whatever I could think of. I decided to give Gemini a go when version three came out to great reviews. Gemini handles every single one of my uses cases much better and consistently gives better answers. This is especially true for situations were searching the web for curre…

Can you share some examples of this where it gives better results?

For me both Gemini and ChatGPT (both paid versions Key in Gemini and ChatGPT Plus) give me similiar results in terms of "every day" research. Im sticking with ChatGPT at the moment, as the UI and scaffolding around the model is in my view better at ChatGpt (e.g. you can add more than one picture at once...)

For Software Development, I tested Gemini3 and I was pretty disappointed in comparison to Claude Opus CLI, which is my daily driver.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by dolmen »

breakingcups wrote: post #43

Is it me, or did it still get at least three placements of components (RAM and PCIe slots, plus it's DisplayPort and not HDMI) in the motherboard image[0] completely wrong? Why would they use that as a promotional image? 0: https://images.ctfassets.net/kftzwdyauwt9/6lyujQxhZDnOMruN3f...

Not that bad compared to product images seen on AliExpress.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by tennisflyi »

breakingcups wrote: post #43

Is it me, or did it still get at least three placements of components (RAM and PCIe slots, plus it's DisplayPort and not HDMI) in the motherboard image[0] completely wrong? Why would they use that as a promotional image? 0: https://images.ctfassets.net/kftzwdyauwt9/6lyujQxhZDnOMruN3f...

You seen the charts on their last release? They obviously don’t check - too rich

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by baq »

deaux wrote: post #598
nbardy wrote: post #398

Those arc agi 2 improvements are insane. Thats especially encouraging to me because those are all about generalization. 5 and 5.1 both felt overfit and would break down and be stubborn when you got them outside their lane. As opposed to Opus 4.5 which is lovely at self correcting. It’s one of those things you really feel in the model rather than whether it can tackle a harder problem or not, but rather can I go back…

> 5 and 5.1 both felt overfit and would break down and be stubborn when you got them outside their lane. As opposed to Opus 4.5 which is lovely at self correcting. This is simply the "openness vs directive-following" spectrum, which as a side-effect results in the sycophancy spectrum, which still none of them have found an answer to. Recent GPT models follow directives more closely than Claude models, and are less sy…

Opus 4.5 answers most of my non-question comments with ‘you’re right.’ as the first thing in the output. At least I’m not absolutely right, I’ll take this as an improvement.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by baq »

jstummbillig wrote: post #90
xd1936 wrote: post #68

> While GPT‑5.2 will work well out of the box in Codex, we expect to release a version of GPT‑5.2 optimized for Codex in the coming weeks. https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2/

> For coding tasks, GPT-5.1-Codex-Max is a faster, more capable, and more token-efficient coding variant Hm, yeah, strange. You would not be able to tell, looking at every chart on the page. Obviously not a gotcha, they put it on the page themselves after all, but how does that make sense with those benchmarks?

Codex talks much less than the standard variant, especially between tool calls.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by lkjdsklf »

mac-attack wrote: post #688
sanex wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people other than Elon fans use grok? Honest question. I've never tried it.

I can't understand why people would trust a CEO that regularly lies about product timelines, product features, his own personal life, etc. And that's before politicizing his entire kingdom by literally becoming a part of government and one of the larger donations of the current administration.

If we stopped using products of every company that had a CEO that lied about their products, we’d all be sitting in caves staring at the dirt

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by baq »

stingraycharles wrote: post #644
rabf wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chatgpt is not one model! Unless you manually specify to use a particular model your question can be routed to different models depending on what it guesses would be most appropriate for your question.

Isn’t that just standard MoE behavior? And isn’t the only choice you have from the UI between “Instant” and “Thinking”?

MoE is a single model thing, model routing happens earlier.
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