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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by SanjayMehta »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #718
SanjayMehta wrote: post #285

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It partially automates the process of lodging a complaint against a call, SMS, or WhatsApp communication. On IOS, you still have to copy/paste the incoming number into a form, provide a screenshot of the message, date/time and it uploads the complaint to their systems. They inform you that they will not send updates. What I've observed is a huge drop in scammers, and new scammers get tagged as potential spam by the o…

Another great post. Thank you. It is great to hear that haven't suffered any monetary loss and you are getting fewer scam calls. I have a "dumb" follow-up question: (Honestly, I don't understand the pushback here on HN against this app.) Do you feel it is invasive or acts as gov't surveillance on your mobile phone? What you describe sounds pretty good to me.

As of now, it's completely passive. It's just a wrapper around their website with some features which reduce friction.

For example, we have a DND (Do Not Disturb) system which is opt-in. Most people don't know about this. Originally signing up required a new user to send a series of text messages to register (opt-in) and select what kind of ads (spam) they would tolerate. For example you could say block everything except bank offers.

This app walks you through the process.

I keep a close watch on permissions etc which apps ask for. This app doesn't really want access to anything unusual.

This on IOS, I know nothing about Android.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by RHSeeger »

komali2 wrote: post #724
pfannkuchen wrote: post #692

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The way I think about this is, let’s say a lot of Americans are moving to Switzerland illegally by overstaying their visas. If I went along with that group, I would not be surprised to be deported by force. If I went there legally and got caught up in a raid or something, or even targeted personally because I sound American, and I get locked up for a bit and then sent back to America on an airplane, would I be upset?…

Your take's premises have flaws. First off, maybe Americans do move to Sweden, and maybe sometimes they overstay their visas. On the other hand, for decades, various aspects of Sweden encourage this, such as the economic environment - turns out Swedes don't like picking apples, and if some Americans (a small percentage) don't overstay their visas, the apples don't get picked, and Sweden's apple industry collapses wit…

> Finally, I really deeply wish to impress upon you the critical importance of due process. It genuinely is All or None.

I the number of people who just do not get this staggering.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by RHSeeger »

chroma205 wrote: post #521
matthewmacleod wrote: post #428

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A citizen being rounded up by the state and bundled off to a foreign country illegally and with no process is absolutely kidnapping regardless of how much you want to pretend otherwise.

> A citizen being rounded up by the state and bundled off to a foreign country illegally and with no process is absolutely kidnapping regardless of how much you want to pretend otherwise. You realize half of Americans literally don’t care right? But I respect your effort for trying. I will stay on my gaming chair and do nothing (won’t vote, won’t donate, won’t raise awareness).

The Narcissist's Prayer

> That didn’t happen.

> And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.

> And if it was, that’s not a big deal.

> And if it is, that’s not my fault.

> And if it was, I didn’t mean it.

> And if I did, you deserved it.

You've checked off the first 3 so far. The government has checked off all 6 of them.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

amriksohata wrote: post #679
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #592

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It's not rage bait, lol, this was a very famous incident, led to him being banned from the US, and he went on an extremely inflammatory "yatra" around mostly Northern India (where Hindutva has sway) further inflaming tensions right after the incident, which is shown very well in the documentary "Final Solution" (which was also banned in India)

yes and it was overturned when they realised it was faked by the opposition

What are you talking about? It wasn't "faked" that Modi, one of the icons of Hindutva, was likely complacent or negligent or connected to the Hindutva MLAs and MPs who were on handing out swords to a Hindutva-influenced mob...

Even if he truly was never involved, it's not a hit job or a con or a conspiracy to frame him, his political party members were involved personally and he promoted rhetoric very close to theirs. Any normal person would connect the two

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Post by amarant »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #504
amarant wrote: post #242

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How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

Yes, it is the single most popular vector for scammers to fleece old people. Great! Add to that, that your identity is controlled by banks, not the government, and that banks can terminate you without any due process, and complaining can take weeks if not months, and there is no guaranteed positive outcome. No thank you, I'll take no ID over ID any day, and at worst, a physical plastic card over a bullsh*t digital so…

Since you're talking about scams, let's look at some statistics: https://www.statista.com/chart/33872/estimated-average-losse...

I believe you'll find that no ID, which is the American approach, is, in actual fact, worse than digital ID.

Also, authoritarian? You're not forced to use BankID, what are you even on about?

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Post by amarant »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #552
amarant wrote: post #242

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How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

There are downsides with it since you are at the mercy of the corporation that owns the Swedish Digital ID. ny services trying to use this Swedish digital ID who these banks don't like can be cut off at any point and you are not allowed to provide alternative logins so it's only allowed to use digital ID if you use it.

If course I'm allowed to use alternative logins. And besides, there are at least 2 generally accepted digital ID solutions in Sweden. BankID is older and more popular, but there's also Freja (I had to open the tax authorities login page to remember the name of this one) that's accepted in most places.

There have been 0 incidents of any of the hysterical hypotheticals y'all are on about actually happening, maybe it's time for a reality check?

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Post by amarant »

nephihaha wrote: post #662
Tor3 wrote: post #457

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"I'm aware that some Swedes are already getting microchipped." If you mean Swedish dogs and cats, then yes. Otherwise, no.

No, I meant people. There are people who have been chipped and boasting about it on YouTube.

Hi I'm from Sweden.

You shouldn't believe everything they say on YouTube.

Also, the Bible is mostly lies, don't trust that either.

I'm sure some idiot put a dog microchip in their hand for shits and giggles, but so what? Their hand their choice.

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Post by amarant »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #366
amarant wrote: post #354

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HOW would this hypothetical person use it against you? It's a driver's licence infringing on my privacy too? Cause they're mostly the same, at least the way they're implemented in Sweden

How many ways can you slice a cake? The point is that the more identifiable information that the monopoly on violence has the easier it is for something, anything really, to be used against you should your tribal affiliation conflict with the ruling party. This is like politics 101

Sounds more like crack addict conspiracy theories 101 tbh

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Post by amarant »

ahoka wrote: post #419
amarant wrote: post #353

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You still haven't presented even a weak argument for how it infringes on privacy. You just said "privacy" and pretended that's an argument

There’s not a lot of privacy ins Sweden anyway. Way too much private stuff is public and continuously scraped by private companies. For those who don’t know: by just looking up a name, you can find a persons birthday, address, who also lives there. Oh and the person’s salary is public too. Ridiculous.

I think it's awesome!

Try lying about your wealth during an election in Sweden!

Did trump's tax filings ever get published by the way? I recall there was a lot of outcry for them during the last election cycle........

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Post by amarant »

Saline9515 wrote: post #393
eru wrote: post #381

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In the US (approximately) everyone has a social security number and a driver's license. In practice, those are equivalent to universal ID, just more annoying to use in everyday life.

Digital ID is also an identification system, social security number isn't. For instance you can't ID people on porn sites using it.

This just shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

Why would a porn site pay ten cents per visitor to get a legally binding id of its visitors? But even more importantly, why would anyone sign it?

Y'all seem to think digital ID is some kind of super-cookie that tracks your every move online.

It's not.

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