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Post by HeinzStuckeIt »

WalterBright wrote: post #726
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #718

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> At my university, I was taught by professors and grad students, none of whom had a teaching degree. Professors and grad students may well have done a course on how to lecture. It is obligatory and/or an easy way to pick up credits in many PhD programs. In any event, grad students teaching badly , because the department has allowed the more competent faculty to put their teaching burden on grad students, is a common…

Maybe that's a new thing, because I've never heard of it. I have recommended to professionals that they take a public speaking course, but those were not part of any degree program.

> Maybe that's a new thing, because I've never heard of it.

You mentioned in another post attending a lecture from Feynman. I think you might be a few decades behind modern academia.

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Post by bengale »

rootusrootus wrote: post #325
rossdavidh wrote: post #131

My daughter is in college now, but we used a variety of private, part-time, and homeschooling approaches prior to that. One thing is that there are a lot of resources (e.g. independent teachers for subjects you don't know, co-ops for socializing, etc.), and the more people are doing it, the more true that becomes. My parents were both public school teachers, and yet we found ourselves home- and alternative-schooling…

> then there should be more introspection going on This assumes that the blame obviously lies with the schools. Basically everyone I know that homeschools does it because they disapprove of tolerance. Should the introspection lead schools to embrace segregation again? It is going to be hard to bring people with such wildly different viewpoints together in harmony.

“Disapprove of tolerance” is such a ridiculous straw man is genuinely quite amusing.

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Post by eucyclos »

WalterBright wrote: post #613
eucyclos wrote: post #591

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I can give a very simple example - in my high school history class, the cold war was presented as a conflict between communism and democracy - despite the fact that on an economic field the conflict was clearly between communism and capitalism, while on a political field proponents of both systems were happy to subvert the democratic process whenever someone had the audacity to vote for the wrong economic system. Ooh…

Stalin wasn't elected. Neither was Gorbachev.

North Vietnam's leaders were. So was Iran's.

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Post by eucyclos »

prng2021 wrote: post #621
eucyclos wrote: post #573

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>This is undeniable unless you have an argument of how a pool of 500 kids would somehow have less diversity of personality, thought, languages, physical features, intelligence, etc. I have such an argument - have you considered the amount of forced social conformity in a public school versus a community of homeschooled people? Humans are weird in a way that 'public school culture' tries to paper over.

“Humans are weird in a way that 'public school culture' tries to paper over.” I went to a public school as did the vast majority of the world’s population today. Genuinely curious… Are you saddened by what you view as a lack of diversity and creativity in the world and do you blame that on public schools? Schools have athletic kids and within that, groups interested in different sports. And within each sport, subgrou…

Since you said you're genuinely curious - the answer to your first question is no. I'm grateful for what diversity and creativity does exist - and I recognize that even with public schools in the mix, it's more than what existed for most of human history. But public schools have certainly been a retarding force in the generally positive developments we've seen since my grandfathers' time.

Incidentally, they're only a little bit older than that, so we shouldn't pretend they're some deeply tested social technology.

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Post by UltraSane »

_blk wrote: post #519
OneLeggedCat wrote: post #344

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In the rural areas that I've lived in, it's mostly about a strong desire to supplant science and history with religious ideas and principles.

I won't pretend to know where you live or what those people's desires are but I definitely started homeschooling after the last US administration took moral volatility to new standards. The principles taught in schools just did not align anymore with what was common sense when I was in school and what I believe in. Now before you judge, I'm not looking for a fight. My wife and I have both master-degree educations in…

"the last US administration took moral volatility to new standards" I have no idea what this means. Can you explain it?

" The principles taught in schools just did not align anymore with what was common sense when I was in school and what I believe in."

Please explain in more detail what you mean by this. You old do you think the earth is? In my experience most home schoolers are young earth creationists.

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Post by UltraSane »

satvikpendem wrote: post #350
OneLeggedCat wrote: post #344

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In the rural areas that I've lived in, it's mostly about a strong desire to supplant science and history with religious ideas and principles.

That is exactly what I've seen, to keep kids in their brainwashing bubble.

You are light gray but creating a bubble is actual expressed reason for many home schoolers like with young earth creationists.

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Post by wvbdmp »

russdill wrote: post #609
whatsupdog wrote: post #559

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_prayer_in_the_United_St...

Yes, it makes it clear that students explicitly have the right to pray in school. That's why I'm confused.

They were talking about brainwashing, clearly they meant school-organized prayer.

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Post by everdrive »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #147

I can't say my public school experience was great, I was bullied and didn't really click with the popular kids, but being around a cross section of actual American kids in my age group (my school district mixed middle class with lower class neighborhoods) helped me shape my worldview and learn to deal with people who didn't look or talk like me. I frequently saw fights, so I learned that you just stay away and watch…

>I learned that the BS American value of "popularity" doesn't translate into successful futures.

It's always felt like a quirk of biology, in the same way that most people are now too fat. (ie, we didn't evolve in an era with constant excess calories and for the most part we can't cope with the situation) In that same way, people engage in this vicious fight for status between middle school and high school, only to be whisked away to colleges and then whisked away to wherever the jobs are; the fight for status never mattered and you can reinvent yourself in ways which would have never been possible in our ancient kin groups. But, we just cannot stop fighting for that status, and don't even give it much though. It's a huge waste of energy.

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Post by joemazerino »

eucyclos wrote: post #733
WalterBright wrote: post #613

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Stalin wasn't elected. Neither was Gorbachev.

North Vietnam's leaders were. So was Iran's.

The notion of being "elected" when you have a gun pointed at you at the ballot casting is silly.

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Post by joemazerino »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #469
TheGRS wrote: post #385

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That has been the case for a long time, and I guess something about the current generation of parents has gotten them to act more on it. My dad came from a very religious family and they all did private religious schools for their early grade school years. Then they went to public for high school years. If I had to guess, its maybe something about the demise of church life that has gotten religious parents to just pu…

> It wasn't that uncommon for public schools to make nods toward Christian ideals/lifestyles before like the 90s, but now that stuff just doesn't happen anymore. Schools should absolutely teach Christian mythology and history, and Greek mythology and history, and Egyptian mythology and history, alongside many other subjects. But to the extent that they used to make "nods" towards "this is the cultural default we defe…

Take this thought, apply it to your favorite non-Western country and tell me where you end up.
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