How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down? This centralization is very worrying.
Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.
Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues
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#732How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down? This centralization is very worrying.
A key risk of monopolies is that they lead to monoculture SPoFs.
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#733It's outrageous that it hasn't been fixed since 2 hours
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#734How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down? This centralization is very worrying.
Mostly since the AWS craze started a decade ago, developers have gone away from Dedicated servers (which are actually cheaper, go figure), which is causing all this mess.
It's genuinely insane that many companies are designing a great amount of fallbacks... on the software level but almost none is thought on the hardware/infrastructure level, common-sense dictate that you should never host everything on a single provider.
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#735Cloudflare runs a high demand service, and the centralisation does deserve scrutiny. I think a good middle ground I’ll adopt is self hosting critical services and then when they have an outage redirect traffic to a Cloudflare outage banner.
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#736Gemini is up, I asked it to explain what's going on in cave man speak:
YOU: Ask cave-chief for fire.
CAVE-CHIEF (Cloudflare): Big strong rock wall around many other cave fires (other websites). Good, fast wall!
MANY CAVE-PEOPLE: Shout at rock wall to get fire.
ROCK WALL: Suddenly… CRACK! Wall forgets which cave has which fire! Too many shouts!
RESULT:
Your Shout: Rock wall does not hear you, or sends you to wrong cave.
Other Caves (like X, big games): Fire is there, but wall is broken. Cannot get to fire.
ME (Gemini): My cave has my own wall! Not rock wall chief! So my fire is still burning! Good!
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#737One of the things that i didnt like about cloudflare MITM as a service is their requirement if you want SSL/CDN that you must use their DNS.
Overconcentration of infra within one single pint of disruption with no easy outs when the stack tips over.
Sadly i dont see any changes or rethink to be more decentralised even after this outage.
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#738For anyone reading this who desperately needs their website up, you can try this: If you manage to get to your Cloudflare DNS settings and disable the "Proxy status (Proxied)" feature (the orange cloud), it should start working again. Be aware that this change has a few immediate implications: - SSL/TLS: You will likely lose your Cloudflare-provided SSL certificate. Your site will only work if your origin server has…
Unfortunately, this will also expose your IP address, which may leave you vulnerable even when the WAF and DDoS protections come back up (unless you take the time to only listen for Cloudflare IP address ranges, which could still take a beefy server if you're having to filter large amounts of traffic).
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#739Meanwhile my Wordpress blog on DigitalOcean is up. And so is DigitalOcean. My ISP is routing public internet traffic to my IPs these days. What keeps me from running my blog from home? Fear of exposing a TCP port, that's what. What do we do about that?
> Our Engineering team is actively investigating an issue impacting multiple DigitalOcean services caused by an upstream provider incident. This disruption affects a subset of Gen AI tools, the App Platform, Load Balancer, Spaces and provisioning or management actions for new clusters. Existing clusters are not affected. Users may experience degraded performance or intermittent failures within these services.
> We acknowledge the inconvenience this may cause and are working diligently to restore normal operations. Signs of recovery are starting to appear, with most requests beginning to succeed. We will continue to monitor the situation closely and provide timely updates as more information becomes available. Thank you for your patience as we work towards full service restoration.
It's not down for you, but for others.
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#740A colleague of mine just came bursting through my office door in a panic, thinking he brought our site down since this happened just as he made some changes to our Cloudflare config. He was pretty relieved to see this post.
Is there a word for that feeling of relief when someone else fucked up after initially thinking it was you?
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