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Re: Sora 2

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Really impressive engineering work. The videos have gotten good enough that they can grab your attention and trigger a strong uncanny valley feeling. I think OpenAI is actually doing a great job at easing people into these new technologies. It's not such a huge leap in capabilities that it's shocking, and it helps people acclimate for what's coming. This version is still limited but you can tell that in another gener…

"open ai is so nice because they spoon feed us little pieces of dog shit every few days to acclimate us to swallowing huge quantities of dog shit every single hours of your life in the near future, praise our benevolent god Sam Altman", and you should cheer for it!

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"What's the benefit of this?" User engagement. That translates into money. Now I can see it can make for a fun party game, but that they seriously go after it, when their game should be leading models to do serious work ... is not a great sign to me.

And users paying to generate longer videos. Not only it has the slot-machine like addiction factor, it's going to make lots of money and it will take off very quickly. All OpenAI has to do is to make the video generation much much faster.

It will only take off, if people like it, if it becomes trendy and this will strongly depend on the quality of the generated videos.

Re: Sora 2

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> And we're introducing Cameo, giving you the power to step into any world or scene, and letting your friends cast you in theirs. How much are they (and providers of similar tools) going to be able to keep anyone from putting anyone else in a video, shown doing and saying whatever the tool user wants? Will some only protect politicians and celebrities? Will the less-famous/less-powerful of us be harassed, defamed, ex…

Basically deepfakes for everyone.

Normalizing effective abolishment of consent for imagery, or just consent in general for just about anything, when it can portray anyone doing anything.

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

I prescribe Plato - Republic, book X, specifically. How can one set of shadows on the wall be better than another, as they’re just shadows, degraded representations of the real?

Or perhaps Aristotle’s Poetics - pop culture has value because it is mimetic, and AI generated pop culture is no less a mirror, just one which produces reflections of every moment, all the time - but rather than the grand catharsis we might experience in a work of literature with well wrought characters with whom we empathise, we find the void staring into us as we do into it. Hollow art for hollow men.

Like it or not, the void is culture, and has value because it reflects us, albeit through a glass, darkly.

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I think reading does force more long term focus, even if it's marginal for certain books. Certainly moreso than scrolling TikTok. My personal process of grappling with this led to a focus on agency and intentionality when defining the difference. Scrolling TikTok, much as scrolling Twitter or Facebook or Instagram or YouTube's recommendations would be, is an entirely passive activity. You sit back and you allow the C…

Eh, old people always complain about the media of the younger generation. Compare https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesesucht (use Google Translate).

I think this is a pretty lazy dismissal as far as things go. Yes people "always complain" about many things, but that's the correct response to things that are always getting worse.

The gist of your linked article is that they were opposed to reading because they believed that reading distracted people from labor, which they considered undisciplined and immoral. Of course there also seems to be a healthy dose of misogyny associated with it:

> Poeckel's statement that women should acquire a certain amount of knowledge, but not too much, because then they could become a "burden on human society," is representative of many other texts in which reading regulations played a central role.

Then once you get to the progression of books > comics > movies > Youtube > TikTok (did I miss any?), you can observe a steady decrease in the amount of cognitive effort required to engage with the medium and a reduction in attention spans. Reduced attention span is a legitimate concern and it's only getting worse as time goes on (ask teachers).

I actually enjoy TikTok in moderation these days but I worry about people who struggle to engage with anything but TikTok, it's like a generational ratchet that only seems to go one way, towards shorter and shorter attention spans.

Maybe someone can make the argument that this won't actually matter, but it's incorrect to say that things haven't changed in observable and measurable ways, and that people are just complaining about nothing.

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Pixar moment for me means a novel techonology evoking a profound emotional response for the first time. This was not it.

The ability for the masses to create any video just by typing, among the other features, is not novel technology? Or is it just the lack of emotional response?

Yes, profound emotional response. There were cg animations before Pixar.

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I wonder about the implications of this tech. State of the things with doom scrolling was already bad, add to it layoffs and replacing people with AI (just admit it, interns are struggling competing with Claude Code, Cursor and Codex) What's coming next? Bunch of people, with lots of free time watching non-sense AI generated content? I am genuinely curious, because I was and still excited about AI, until I saw how do…

> just admit it, interns are struggling competing with Claude Code, Cursor and Codex They are not. This is false, zirp ended, this is the problem. Not LLMs.

Of course primary cause could be ZIRP, but AI definitely accelerated the problem.

Interns at big tech maybe impacted less, because their systems are so complex, but when I look at job boards or talk with engineers I see they're mentioning interns less, AI assisted coding more.

Bar for the interns is higher now, why do I need 3 interns to polish the product if I can complete 70% of the job with AI and hire 1 intern to fix other parts

Re: Sora 2

#739

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

The TikTok feed is an amalgamation of posts from lots of people who aren't collaborating. The Song of Ice and Fire is a single work by a single author (or so I assume). So it's more like you're reading a single humongous post that has been “liked” (bought, positively reviewed, critically appraised) by a shitton of people, compared to a firehose of morsels that barely anyone cares about.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

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