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Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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In Sweden we have bank id that you can optionally use as ID (new feature). But its mostly used to validate purchases, sign things, or login to banks, government websites or whatever website might use it to auth. It does not hand over all id information to the site that uses it to identify you, just name and personal number.

"just name and personal number"

Which can be used to get everything else, thanks to ridiculous privacy laws in Sweden.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Generally, yes. It simplifies dealing with government bureaucracy. Proving your identity is generally something you will have to do anyway, this is will just remove a bunch of hoops you have to go through. This community, more than most, should understand in its bones that security and convenience are the ends of a see-saw. Convenience is five-character passwords, security is 2FA. Convenience is contactless payment…

Convenience and security are not opposite to one another, they are orthogonal. Inconvenient means to prove your identity may be terribly insecure, and still be inconvenient.

Ok. Well I gave a couple of examples of what I'm getting at.

So how can a convenient way to establish a digital identity also be secure? To run with the see-saw analogy, what element would of that process would make the process both more convenient and more secure? (make the see-saw rise at both ends).

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

#733

>The proposals are the government's latest bid to tackle illegal immigration, with the new ID being a form of proof of a citizen's right to live and work in the UK. How does a digital ID solve an illegal immigration problem? I watched the video and the suggestion is that this makes it easier for employers to verify that someone is authorized to work. Is that actually true? I don't live in the UK and have not visited…

But illegal immigration, like bicycle theft, is a demand and not a supply driven problem.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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post #362

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It's the difference between proportional voting vs winner takes it all. In the latter case you can't really hold politicians accountable, as you will have to choose between effectively throwing your vote away or voting for the one opposition candidate, that often will be just as bad. While the UK have some level of representativeness, each circuit has a winner takes it all structure, making change quite hard to achie…

Don't vote. By voting, you partake in a system unable to give most people effective representation. By voting, you ostensibly accept your own alienation.

This is bad advice. By voting, you accept nothing. By not voting, you merely lose the small power that voting grants you. (Why do you think people are working so hard to disenfranchise voters in the US?)

Construct better systems, by all means, but don't just ignore the system that exists.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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post #366

Any digital ID not using a form of blockchain tech is doing it wrong in my view.

What purpose would that serve if identity is assigned by a centralized entity (the government)?

Fraud prevention and decentralised id verification.

In a nutshell itd give identities the same level of technological protection that crypto currencies have.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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post #731

In Sweden we have bank id that you can optionally use as ID (new feature). But its mostly used to validate purchases, sign things, or login to banks, government websites or whatever website might use it to auth. It does not hand over all id information to the site that uses it to identify you, just name and personal number.

"just name and personal number" Which can be used to get everything else, thanks to ridiculous privacy laws in Sweden.

And what are they going to do with that?

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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But as long as the phone is unrooted the all can't spy on anything. Your phone restricts it. If you root your phone and install apps, your apps can do anything and spy all they want. So the comment still makes zero sense.

Apps on a rooted phone can only do anything if you give them the root permission. Otherwise, permissions the same as always.

That's the point. You're able to give them that permission. That's a vulnerability.

OP was arguing that unrooted phones are somehow less safe, which is absurd.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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post #736

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What purpose would that serve if identity is assigned by a centralized entity (the government)?

Fraud prevention and decentralised id verification. In a nutshell itd give identities the same level of technological protection that crypto currencies have.

Would be very useful for voting too. Bulletproof fraudulent vote or ballot modification prevention.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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The census form in the UK requires disclosure of religion and ethnicity. It would be relatively easy to merge census data with ID. I might trust this government not to do that, but I don't trust a future government (because I don't know who that will be).

how would the existence of this card make it easier to pursue you if you're let's say, Jewish? Doesn't passport/driving license already have thisv

Maybe it doesn't make it any easier but your question does remind us that cataloguing and categorising people can be dangerous. I accept that there are good reasons that the state could use this information, but we should also be alert to possible abuses.

Without looking, I honestly don't know if the passport and driving licence lists this information. But the census certainly does.

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