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Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by jayroh »

n-exploit wrote: post #714
casq wrote: post #176

Hi, I’m Christina, cofounder of Hack Club. We just announced this news to our community, and this post is from one of the teenagers in Hack Club. It’s an accurate description of what’s happened, and we’re grateful to them for posting. Slack changed the terms of a special deal we were given last year to charge us for staff and volunteers (not for every teenager coding), and we built programs around that special rate.…

I have a key for https://once.com/campfire by 37Signals.com, which is an alternative to Slack, that I could offer in-kind to Hack Club - if desired. It's open source and you own your own data.

So you know - campfire is now open source.

https://x.com/dhh/status/1963675999012552970

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Post by dexwiz »

xedrac wrote: post #551
actionfromafar wrote: post #401

Thousands of teen coders now hate Salesforce in advance . This is very shortsighted.

Haven't you heard? Sales force doesn't hire programmers anymore. AI is all their CEO needs. ;p. Seriously though, this behavior reminds me of Oracle, and is a great reminder that proprietary software can very quickly become a big liability.

Benioff is Ellison's protégé. Why expect anything less?

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Post by f1shy »

nobleach wrote: post #637
xedrac wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't you heard? Sales force doesn't hire programmers anymore. AI is all their CEO needs. ;p. Seriously though, this behavior reminds me of Oracle, and is a great reminder that proprietary software can very quickly become a big liability.

Oracle is exactly who sprang to mind. Throughout my history as a software developer, even Microsoft has had a ton of interest in being involved in the community. Yes, they've wanted to extinguish much of it, when it didn't align with their financial goals... but they were always interested in being part of the "software development conversation". Oracle on the other hand has never extended an olive branch. They're qu…

I worked in parallel with Sun Microsystems (prior acquisition) IBM and Oracle. All 3 were horrible in that regard. They all offered cheap services, and waited until roots were deep enough; then they would change the billing scheme multiplying fees by up to 25

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Post by Lu2025 »

Last year Hostgator suddenly changed the conditions of my plan without any warning at a renewal time so I "conveniently" went over the storage quota, then shut me down. I had to pay the extortion fee to restore service. Needless to say, I'll be moving before the next renewal.

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Post by jakeydus »

Tade0 wrote: post #558
Aeolun wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any coders that like salesforce in the first place? This is firmly one of those ‘foisted on you by management’ kind of products right?

I know a few people who've made good money immersing their hands in this pile of rich manure as consultants, so I guess it all comes down to what you individually are willing to do for some cash.

I did it for a few years after I graduated. It paid about a 10% premium over what other dev jobs in the area paid, and you never had to do anything super technically challenging, but you were pretty much at the whims of the sales org without any kind of product management in place. Plus the owner of the stack you worked with was openly antagonistic to the fact that developers had to be involved at all, even though all of their "no-code" tools introduced complexity that required developers to be involved as soon as you did anything more interesting than whatever was in the demo.

So yeah I made some money but I'd die before I was a salesforce dev again.

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Post by seamanrob »

casq wrote: post #176

Hi, I’m Christina, cofounder of Hack Club. We just announced this news to our community, and this post is from one of the teenagers in Hack Club. It’s an accurate description of what’s happened, and we’re grateful to them for posting. Slack changed the terms of a special deal we were given last year to charge us for staff and volunteers (not for every teenager coding), and we built programs around that special rate.…

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Post by BlueTemplar »

mihaaly wrote: post #457
ioulian wrote: post #230

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> Also, if the data in chat is being held hostage, the org might be using chat wrong. This is so important these days. A lot of project send users to discord, slack for documentation and help but they are not made for this purpose. Searching in chat channel for a specific problem is not a good way to handle documentation. I can't even use search engines to search that.

> Searching in chat channel for a specific problem is not a good way to handle documentation I just wanted to highlight this. I am so happy seeing this written down explicitly and finally. Throughout the years I struggled so much finding relevant and accurate information about a feature of a product because it was scattered in chat channels, inadequate for providing reliable data (out of date or uncertain staleness,…

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