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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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The Chair of this "independent" inquiry is Navi Pillay of South Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_International_Comm...); the nation which accused Israel of genocide and referred it to the ICJ. The outcome of this inquiry was always going to be highly partisan. The report's definition rests upon statements by key Israeli officials in determining genocidal intent. While the statements are accurate, in a democracy, individual representatives do not constitute a single will. If the standard used here were applied to other international conflicts in which civilians were killed, as long as just one governing official were to have made genocidal remarks (and they used a fairly wide range), the entire conflict could be ruled to be genocide. Thus the standard used by Pillay and co-authors is so far removed from anything applied to any other nation and conflict that I find the entire exercise farcical.

I await the ICJ ruling, as I regard that institution as reasonably impartial.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Seeing PG slowly turn on this issue, from nothing into recognition and now into advocacy has been wild. Presumably because he has kids, and like many parents you understand with your eyes first, and then your heart. PG wields some amount of power in SV, but YC and others are still inextricably tied to what's happening. Thiel was just in Israel with elad gil, rabois, alex karp, joe lonsdale. It's just too much to list…

I used to shame PG for his elitist views. Now I celebrate his moral courage. One man cannot fix everything. Dear PG (I'm sure you don't read HN, but this is yet another echo), As I said on X, your own platform (YCombinator) is still full of hateful bigots who would censor/downvote even the mildest form of speaking against the genocide. Proof: this comment being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism is akin to censorsh…

The fact that you can’t see any reason other than bigotry why this comment would be down voted is exactly what he was talking about in his essay on wokeness.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Seeing PG slowly turn on this issue, from nothing into recognition and now into advocacy has been wild. Presumably because he has kids, and like many parents you understand with your eyes first, and then your heart. PG wields some amount of power in SV, but YC and others are still inextricably tied to what's happening. Thiel was just in Israel with elad gil, rabois, alex karp, joe lonsdale. It's just too much to list…

I used to shame PG for his elitist views. Now I celebrate his moral courage. One man cannot fix everything. Dear PG (I'm sure you don't read HN, but this is yet another echo), As I said on X, your own platform (YCombinator) is still full of hateful bigots who would censor/downvote even the mildest form of speaking against the genocide. Proof: this comment being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism is akin to censorsh…

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Stop equating anti-war sentiment with pro-terror sympathies. It’s a bad faith argument.

It is an extreme hypocrisy to call what is happening in Gaza a genocide while saying nothing about much more horrible things that happen, on a much larger scale. It tells you something about the "bad faith".

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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The US and all other nations sanction Israel. If that doesn't work, military intervention. Israel will fall, it's just a matter of time.

What would you demand Israel do to be released from these hypothetical sanctions? Military intervention meaning invade a nuclear power?

Unconditional surrender of all Israeli politicians and government workers, to stand trial for crimes against humanity.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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The Chair of this "independent" inquiry is Navi Pillay of South Africa ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_International_Comm... ); the nation which accused Israel of genocide and referred it to the ICJ. The outcome of this inquiry was always going to be highly partisan. The report's definition rests upon statements by key Israeli officials in determining genocidal intent. While the statements are accurate, i…

Amnesty International, The International Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, numerous other human rights organizations and world governments all say the same thing: genocide. To deny this is to say that you believe all of those groups are wrong and it is actually Netanyahu, Trump, Biden and Harris, along with their cronies in congress are correct. It is a position that cannot be defended logically.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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From a historical, economic, social perspective... Why does Israel hold so much power over the world?

Worth having a listen to Aaron Good, author of 'American Exception' being interviewed by Jeffrey Sachs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXvuOG33zLs Some of the gist of what he talks about: Just as there is an 'underworld', there is also a corresponding and related 'overworld'. Essentially organised crime, corporations, and security services cooperating in nefarious ways (often usurping - though not always violently -…

Is Israel able to cast this "overworld" power over China?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Why is this posted on a tech news site?

I wonder the same. It’s odd to see it still here given the low quality of the discussion. And it is flooded by mischaracterizations, misinformation, and one-sided hyperbolic takes. I wonder what the right space or format is to have debates like this but in an effective way, rather than sides trying to win.

Try taking a look at Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow for other things than programming) - it's not perfect of course, but IMO the site's format promotes cold arguments.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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It is incredibly interesting how the US (and Germany) have put so much into Israel and associated groups they really don't want it to fail (despite the Israeli gov doing their damnest to facilitate just that). In my understanding Israel, in the eyes of the US, is a convenient "wedge" in the Arab space that allows for easier power projection in the area, plus they have a healthy amount of zionists close to money and p…

And then there’s genocide. Framing support for Israel as purely geopolitical misses what’s going on.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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That is a rebuttal of the International Association of Genocide Scholars[0] resolution from August[1], not this UN report.

[0] https://genocidescholars.org [1] https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS...

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