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> If something can be accomplished on the blockchain, which requires N nodes, a business can probably replicate that same objective with less than N nodes because they don't have to pay the cost of verifying that nodes are acting honestly. This business is incentivized to be honest because otherwise they lose their business. This is missing something important, which we can see by considering one of the major problem…

My point is that blockchain is just a technology - nothing about the technology itself makes the concept of transferring money cheaper. I agree that it is another competitive avenue for transactions, but if it became a threat to payment processors, my theory is that they could lower their costs more than blockchains potentially can. This is because the software and infrastructure needed to build something that assign…

> They are also getting mining rewards. If a blockchain has mining rewards, maybe in the form of Bitcoin Cash, then that will dilute the entire pool of Bitcoin Cash.

How is this any different than the Fed or the fractional reserve banking system creating new US dollars?

> nothing about the technology itself makes the concept of transferring money cheaper.

Nothing except for the thing that matters: If you have something fungible instead of something with high switching costs, it makes fees go down.

> if it became a threat to payment processors, my theory is that they could lower their costs more than blockchains potentially can.

And that's why blockchains are useful! To exert the pressure needed to make that happen.

It doesn't matter if the centralized system can have lower costs unless it actually does, and for that you need the competitor to exist as a viable threat.

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Other countries managed to regulate their banks to innovate just fine without blockchain technology, though. It doesn’t always need a startup to disrupt something by flipping the finger to lawmakers. Sometimes humble regulation is enough. Take SEPA as an example: I can transfer money free of charge to any European bank account, in a few seconds.

Small money is fine. Any big transaction will get flagged and potentially delayed. I don't know about you, but I'd rather use a system that allows me to do what I want with my funds without anyone else controlling it.

Do you want to live in a world where everyone else can do whatever they want with their funds without anyone else controlling it, though? Seems pretty optimistic for anyone to think they'd do well in that world.

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> in Europe you can wire money across borders for free do you mean "electronic funds transfer"? because "wiring" is an old school thing that uses Telex machines and and gets processed by people and I would doubt it carries no fee. (It's probably been modernised so that people handle virtual slips of paper, but it very much carries the feel of an "order on a slip of paper" type of transaction and is far from instantan…

I don’t think more than a handful of Europeans have ever heard of wiring the way you describe. Everyone over here has a bank account with a debit card and is used to transferring money to someone using their international bank account number; PayPal is in use for convenience, but not really necessary actually. People have credit cards for travelling abroad or online purchases, but that’s about it.

not more than a large handful of Americans have heard of it either, till they become "established" so to speak. It's for moving large amounts of money, and for ordinary people that would only be like when you buy a house, you wire the money to escrow. Europe has the same wire system, it's international.

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Other way around. Stablecoins are essentially Venmo for crime. They get zero benefit from a blockchain. They are centralized, trusted and permissioned. Circle can freeze the USDC in your self-custody wallet at any time and you’re on your own bud. This whole thing is antithetical to crypto’s core ethos. You could replicate USDC with a website where you log in with a password and move money between numbered accounts an…

> Stablecoins are essentially Venmo for crime What is your source for stablecoins being "for crime"? I've seen many individuals from countries all over the world utilize stablecoins in ways legal for their jurisdiction.

stablecoins are not for crime actually, it's like the bank of the criminals. for crime you would want to mix your stablecoins to btc or xmr, probably the latter.

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Venmo is essentially a stable coin

You are correct but with Venmo or PayPal there’s a middleman charging fees who can lock your funds. A decentralised PayPal is appealing.

Just to be clear, Tether and Circle also have complete control over their respective stablecoins if they so choose. They have the exact same power to reverse, freeze and block any transaction or balance just as PayPal and Venmo do.

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Other way around. Stablecoins are essentially Venmo for crime. They get zero benefit from a blockchain. They are centralized, trusted and permissioned. Circle can freeze the USDC in your self-custody wallet at any time and you’re on your own bud. This whole thing is antithetical to crypto’s core ethos. You could replicate USDC with a website where you log in with a password and move money between numbered accounts an…

Good. AML/KYC laws are a huge abuse of state power.

Serious question: What is the practical alternative? What do you think will happen if we reduce/remove AML/KYC requirements?

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> Why not have a central bank currency that can be traded on the blockchain, especially since converting it to real money will still entail KYC? Because literally the only point is to avoid the existing banking system and you can do that with a postures database with much less cpu involved.

There's not that much CPU involved. Most of the stablecoins are on Ethereum, and I think the rest are on other proof-of-stake platforms, not Bitcoin.

Ethereum is able to process something like 150 transactions per second, using about 1,000,000 validator machines.

Postgres running on a single Raspberry Pi is something like 200 TPC-B read/write transactions per second.

Saying Ethereum “is not using very much CPU” is baffling to me. It is the state-of-the-art in this regard, and it uses something like six orders of magnitude more CPU than a normal database running a ledger workload?

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That term has a very specific meaning and I wish people stopped using it to mean "big tech doing something bad"

Well, doesn't that specific meaning apply here? I mean, the lack of protection for end-users is at first compensated by investment money (low prices and huge effort on support). Once network effect is reached, the unregulated nature of the platform shows, end-users are wronged, only providers profit from the lack of regulation ... Or maybe I don't understand the meaning of enshittification?

No. The whole point of enshittification is that it is an intentional process, a bait-and-switch. You get a cool free service, you become dependent on it, and then they start monetizing it and limiting it.

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There are lots of crypto skeptics on HN (and we ourselves were disappointed with crypto's payments utility for much of the past decade), so it might be interesting to share what changed our mind over the past couple of years: we started to notice a lot of real-world businesses finding utility in stablecoins. For example, Bridge (a stablecoin orchestration platform that Stripe acquired) is used by SpaceX for managing…

My biggest reason to be a crypto believer right now is stablecoins, international payments, and agentic AI. It's inevitable that agentic AI will handle a lot of workload online eventually. We can't expect these agents to work on existing payment rails, what with their fees and slow settlement and international payment hurdles. AI agents that can pay each other when necessary - even tiny fractional amounts - will be a…

That can pay each other? For what? Genuinely curious.

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All of the other comments are missing the point: using blockchain technology is a means to bypass regulation. That's it. That's always been the point of cryptocurrency.

yeah bad regulations must be bypassed. There is a case for banks that hold your hand as if you are 90yo and there must be a case for banking where I know what I do and I take responsibility for my actions. If i send my coins to the wrong address its on me. But if I want to send 10k to someone - no one should ask me to wait 3 days, to do 100 verifications if I am not being forced or scammed. I'd want that protection f…

Let's check how people use credit cards and buy-now-pay-layer schemes (Klarna & co) responsibly in America.

It clearly demonstrates that people do not have the capacity to make critical judgments and have to be somewhat protected from themselves.

That's als what regulations are for.

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