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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by monitron »

theptip wrote: post #307
827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

> Google has world-class research teams that have produced unbelievable models, without any plan at all on how those make it into their products beyond forcing a chat window into Google Drive. NotebookLM is a genuinely novel AI-first product. YouTube gaining an “ask a question about this video” button, this is a perfect example of how to sprinkle AI on an existing product. Extremely slow, but the obvious incremental…

> YouTube gaining an “ask a question about this video” button, this is a perfect example of how to sprinkle AI on an existing product.

lol if this is the perfect example, "AI" in general is in a sad place. I've tried to use it a handful of times and each time it confidently produced wrong results in a way that derailed my quest for an answer. In my experience it's an anti-feature in that it seems to make things worse.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by [deleted] »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by dreamcompiler »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #78
stogot wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heres the thing: it was a dev company with a side-AI business, but now Microsoft has signaled it wants an AI-GitHub with a dev-side business. The features that will be prioritized will be AI not Git improvement

Are there any improvements to be done to Git? It seems like kind of a solved problem, like word processors or spreadsheets… most “improvements” to those are diminishing returns. I don't mean to sounds like an MS apologist, btw. I fully predicted and hoped for an exodus from Github to GitLab or something back when it got acquired — I'm from the Microsux generation.

Issue management (e.g. bug tracking) really should be a part of Git, not a proprietary addon from Github.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by nirvdrum »

Shorel wrote: post #619
gmueckl wrote: post #435

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This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

> IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. Because we remember the evil Microsoft. Many young people still follow advice from the elders.

> Because we remember the evil Microsoft. Many young people still follow advice from the elders.

I get the point you're making, but it really seems like we haven't remembered. We've worked ourselves back into one juggernaut owning most of the web browser space and then collectively acted surprised when they started flexing their muscles. I encounter sites that only run in Chrome the same way I had sites that only ran in IE 6. It seems to me we're doomed to repeat history as long as that path is easier or more profitable.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by not_a_bot_4sho »

1attice wrote: post #209
pfisch wrote: post #176

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Nobody even knows about this, no one thinks "Microsoft, hell no, they are a key player in the gaza conflict." No one really associates human rights with Microsoft's reputation. That is the domain of Palantir, Meta, etc.

as a former MSFT employee (who quit for reasons, well before the layoffs) I am not permitted to disparage or portray my former employer in a negative light. I'm just mentioning this for no reason whatsoever. It popped into my head, for some reason.

I'm also a former employee but based in the US where such things are illegal.

In what country are you bound by clauses like that? I've never heard Microsoft doing something like that before.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by smcin »

selcuka wrote: post #657
smcin wrote: post #655

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No, IE has not been dead and buried for ages. Not everyone's a US corporation. A lot of (mostly non-US) orgs used locked-down managed IT and VMs where IE was still the only allowed browser, until the IE 11 shutdown in 2022, which is recent. And just for reciprocity, here's Indian Defense Review (5/2025) "These People Never Moved On: They’re Stuck 24 Years in the Past and Have to Use Windows XP" : "Thousands of worker…

> A lot of (mostly non-US) orgs used locked-down managed IT and VMs where IE was still the only allowed browser, until the IE 11 shutdown in 2022, which is recent. That's hardly Microsoft's fault, isn't it?

I simply stated as a fact that IE has not been dead and buried for ages. The official 2022 shutdown is recent.

Regardless of who we each might consider to be responsible (and in what proportion), that fact is a fact. Agreed?

(and I've seen lots of end-of-life cycles in software and hardware, and gone through them as both user, customer and vendor)

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jongjong »

jongjong wrote: post #519
crinkly wrote: post #229

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> Then there is the issue they seem to be shoting into all directions, with GUI frameworks, Web, Blazor, Aspire, to see what sticks. This is Microsoft's primary strategy. There are a lot of victims out there. ... he says after spending several months porting a win32 app to Silverlight as part of a Gold Partner/MS case study with much fanfare, only to have to spent the next few years backporting everything into the wi…

I once worked for a company which outsourced the development of a Silverlight app for $1 million and then canned the whole thing one year later. It's just crazy how these life-changing amounts of money are thrown around like garbage in this industry.

Oh and I didn't mention how these founders went on to raise more and more funding. It's like there is no connection to performance.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by fleventynine »

siva7 wrote: post #406
bhl wrote: post #264

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Stacked diffs is a huge one, and also where improving git would also improve LLM workflows. The bottleneck after code generation is PR reviews, and stacked diffs help break down large PRs into more digest-able pieces. If you help humans collaborate better, you help LLMs collaborate better.

Well, how about rethinking your workflow instead of stacking branch after branch?

Because i can produce 5 clean, properly sized commits in the time it takes to do one round of reviews, so they have to be stacked. It's important that the CI run independently on each commit, and each commit builds on the work of the previous one.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This "Microsoft are good guys" is a bizarre recurring comment that has appeared on HN for quite a while now

It's like pretending people must choose from Russia, North Korea, South Sudan or the Central African Republic

Who are the good guys

None of these companies are "good guys"

These "Leave Microsoft alone" HN comments will undoubtedly persist

Perhaps there are MS employees who comment on HN and they are sensitive about criticism

The idea Microsoft is somehow benign is truly hilarious

It is not difficult to argue the damage this company causes today without retribution is far worse than what they did in the past

IME, Microsoft is very cult-like; the employees believe that Microsoft has a solution for any problem, and there is never, ever any contemplation that the company creates problems ;this does not stop with the employees, it can extend to others who are "bought in" to the Redmond ecosystem

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by sunaookami »

brightball wrote: post #98
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

I’m glad Gitlab is still an option, just sitting there waiting to absorb the market pivot if Microsoft takes it the wrong way.

Left Gitlab after they changed the UI nearly every month, it's still very cumbersome to use.
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