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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

karim79 wrote: post #382
dismalaf wrote: post #79

Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause [1], they're still fighting, the UN refused to distribute aid because they were getting attacked [2], and Israel unilaterally pulling out of Gaza and leaving them to govern themselves is literally what led to October 7th... 1 - https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11…

> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. > hostages, The thousands of Palestinian "administrative detainees" held without charge in Israel, are not hostages?

> 39% in Gaza supported the attacks by Hamas into Israel in October 2023 that triggered the conflict, 32 percentage points lower than six months earlier[1].

If 71% civilian supports some group, then it is not a terrorist group but a government, and using Gazans isn't an overreach.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-cease...

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by pram »

vorpalhex wrote: post #98
calmbonsai wrote: post #11

IDF fired on World Central Kitchen workers April of 2024 so this, sadly, isn't surprising. At least more and more video is, finally, coming out vividly capturing these atrocities.

And one of those WCK workers was in fact a rifle wielding Hamas member who had participated in Oct 7th.. as well as an actual bonafide WCK worker. Admittedly blowing up the entire van was probably wrong in retrospect.

It was “probably wrong” to kill 7 people in 3 different vehicles? How about when they did it again later in the year, and killed another 5 WCK workers? Crazy how it just kept happening.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by aqme28 »

whadar wrote: post #725
geysersam wrote: post #695

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but how else would Gazans eat Lets be entirely clear that the food crisis in Gaza is manufactured. There is enough food and medicines available and there are several organizations capable of dealing with the logistics of handling out the food, main one among them of course being UNWRA. The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let re…

"The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there." This is not accurate to say the least. Trucks do get in but Hamas and armed groups control the supplies and prevent a fair distribution

No. It’s pretty well-established that even if the distribution were perfect, there simply aren’t enough trucks going in.

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Post by aa-jv »

jahewson wrote: post #393
ivape wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The problem is not the narrative. The problem is Hamas.

The problem is Likud, which transferred money to Hamas and bolstered it in an attempt to divide the West Bank from Gaza Palestinians.

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Post by [deleted] »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

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Post by Tade0 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #587
dubyah wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a group signed letter by 99 American volunteer medical professionals stating: Specifically, every one of us who worked in an emergency, intensive care, or surgical setting treated pre-teen children who were shot in the head or chest on a regular or even a daily basis. https://www.gazahealthcareletters.org/usa-letter-oct-2-2024

That’s precisely the letter I was referring to. They’re not in the war zone taking an unbiased sample. They’re in a hospital receiving critical but patients after triage Inherently, their statistical sample of war injuries is biased. It’s a textbook example of the survivorship statical bias! This is all I’m trying to say: not that their observations are false or that children aren’t being shot, but that they’re not i…

Regarding Russia there's also the phenomenon of inflating numbers at each step of the reporting chain, so suddenly a village reached by several soldiers, who subsequently died, turns into one that, on paper, was fully occupied.

This has caused issues on the Russian side, particularly in Ukraine's Kursk offensive, because troops moved in, assuming the territory is already taken, only to be ambushed.

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Post by faizmokh »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

Imagine thinking they don't have any idea what it was. Truly a naive perspective.

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Post by gadders »

throw310822 wrote: post #729
gadders wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After 9/11, the US invaded 2 countries, one of which wasn't even involved. And honestly, if it had been my daughter raped and killed at a music festival, I'd have done worse.

Ok, by this logic you're justifying whatever Hamas did, since many, many daughters of Palestinians and Gazans have been killed (and in some cases, raped) by Israel and Israeli soldiers for decades. And by the same proportion, what would be the justified reaction of Palestinians to Israel now if they had the means? Complete nuclear annihilation?

I think if Palestinians had nukes (or Iran), they would have already done this.

Israel exists. That bell can't be un-rung. Palestinians could have got used to that fact and tried to build a nation, instead they want to kill Jews (and it is Jews, not just Israelis).

Israel doesn't have clean hands in this, and could have done better as well. I've not heard of mass rapes by Israeli soldiers, though.

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Post by aqme28 »

josephg wrote: post #281
churchill wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was flagged and restored just now, haha. Edit: And this comment is flagged to hell, as well, haha. I guess saying that the systematic murder of civilians is bad is now a controversial opinion, lmao.

Honestly I find it kind of sickening how much people treat this conflict like picking a sports team. I’ve been saying that from the start - I feel for the civilians caught in the middle of this conflict, from both Israel and Gaza. I’ve caught flak from both sides for saying so. Some people seem deadset on making an enemy of nuance.

I see your point, but it can also be frustrating when people “both-sides” every atrocity. It’s sort of like saying “All Lives Matter” at every police shooting.
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