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What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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I'm curious about this though, does a rich man actually wear the same pair of boots for 10 years? That being said, I've noticed that a lot of clothes that I bought 10 years ago or so are of pretty high quality compared to today, (and no, they are not rich man's clothes). Some of them I actually have been wearing for more than 10 years now.

Of course. And also it may be less expensive to buy 5 pairs of shoes that last 3 years each than 1 pair that last 15 years. Anyway the rich don't get rich because they can buy better clothes or appliances, they can buy them because they are rich.

"you can't save yourself rich"

(but with compound interest and market growth, ...)

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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Grew up poor, made it a little in life - could maybe retire now. The things I and the people I grew up with don't know how to do at all can be shocking. People who grew up similarly and ended up in middle class seem to be similar unless they put real time into it: - how to buy stocks, what ETFs are, what a 401(k) is, etc. - hiring people to clean your house, do yard work, etc. - traveling out of the country, or in ma…

> how to buy stocks, what ETFs are, what a 401(k) is, etc. I've seen this before, and I remain incredulous. We learned about stocks in 4th grade and did a mock exercise picking stocks and tracking their performance over a few weeks. We did calculations on mortgage interest and investment returns in middle school math class. Every news source has a finance section and talks about stocks regularly. There are advertisem…

When I did the equivalent "lets learn about stocks" at school, we opened the newspaper, found a stock, "invested" fake money in a ledger the teacher kept, and then cashed out at the end of three weeks after doing some rough calculations.

The equivalent for a real world person would have been to

1) know what a brokerage was

2) find one

3) drive there and fill out some paperwork to make the account

4) deposit a paper check or cash at the location

5) get a phone # with a specific broker at the brokerage

6) subscribe to a local paper with the stock section

7) watch one of several thousand stocks, and write down by hand the movement of the stocks to see if you could set a strategy

8) maybe buy subscriptions for some investment magazines, a few hundred dollars per year

9) decide the time is right, call your broker, leave a message with his secretary to get back to you

10) wait for that to happen, then place your order. your broker would then charge you a percentage (up to 3% of your trade!) as their fee

11) Angry men in a pit in NYC would yell at each other for hours to make the trade. The trade would be communicated on scraps of paper with hastily written numbers, then shouted over a phone on the trading floor

12) wait for your broker to send you physical mail with your certificates or a record of ownership showing that the trade closed several days after you placed it with him

13) go through a similar process to sell your stock certificates, but then have to self track capital gains for your taxes

Can you name a single reason why you think a poor person living paycheck-to-meal would even know about or wish to participate in this?

Things got better with the internet, which didn't exist for most people until I was an adult (I know because I helped start an ISP), it still cost $30 trade electronically and settlement still didn't happen for days. So somebody making hundreds of dollars a month would have to lose $30, just to make a bet of whatever they were able to scrimp together over months, in the hope it would turn into more than $30 so they could sell it and make money above the trading fee.

Again, why would a poor person, who may not even have a bank account, be a participant in this?

So, to help with your incredulity, why would somebody, who is from a poor family, with not a single person around them trading stocks, most without full-time employment, take a brief class when they were 10, retain those precious handful of classroom hours, until they get lucky enough to have disposable income decades later and suddenly decide "I'm going to trade ETFs"

Most people don't work in companies with a 401k, or even with any benefits at all. Why would they be familiar with managing one? Next time you eat out, trade some tips with your waiter on how they diversify their retirement investments. Ask them which ETFs they like, and if any have especially low fees, or do they pursue a market segment strategy. What's their opinion on I-bonds? Maybe they have a prediction if Cathie Wood is a cook or not?

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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Next stage is to realize solid wood is better than veneer wood. Also miele has too much marketing hype. Want the ultimate appliances? Buy professional equipment. Like washing machine that are used in hotels.

Two things: One, there are things you can do with veneer that you cannot be done in solid wood. You can resaw a board to get a book matched panel in solid wood, but you generally cannot get a four-way match because of either pattern shift, not enough thickness to start with, or basically creating veneer the hard way. This generalizes to radial matches with more pieces. That's the most basic example. There are many ot…

It is harder to get solid wood to stay dimensionally stable.

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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The referenced reply is dull. It's very pretentious but just reiterates common knowledge, it doesn't convey any useful information. For example I wish someone told me about the existence of Miele kitchen equipment before I accidentally rented an apartment of a well-to-do woman. She renovated it for herself but then rented out when circumstances changed. Similarly it took me a long time to realize just how much better…

Disagree it lasts 5-10 times longer. IKEA kitchens will last anywhere from 10-30 years. 5-10 times longer is 50-300 years, which is well outside the range veneered hardwood kitchen cabinets will last.

depends on the ikea product.

I had ikea stuff that:

- bubbled when liquid spilled on it

- scratched easily

- had screws loosen over time. basically all of them

(this was non-kitchen stuff, I just haven't bought a kitchen from them)

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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There are only 902 American billionaires*, but this 'Redditor' claims to know nine of them. The wording implies these were chance friendships. It is a big answer, but not a great answer. * https://npr.org/2025/04/01/nx-s1-5345950/forbes-billionaires...

People tend to stick together. Once you know one odds become higher that you get introduced to a few more. Billionaires like parties as much as anyone else, so if you are not an insane stalker and get to know one well they will invite you to parties just to have a group of friends and now you are vetted so the others will not stay away as much. Different people have different sizes of friend circles so breaking in is…

There are fewer than 200,000 Americans, rich or poor, who are chummy with billionaires, but many millions of Americans who are liars.

The post's author is a random person on social media...

making claims an attention-seeker would make...

for an audience that wants to believe them.

The sensible position, without corroborating evidence, is that the author is a liar.

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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My theory is that the appliance market has developed a low cost tier of products that are poorly developed and produced. This tier of products have minimal quality standards and the thinking is the the consumer will replace it or move. I had to purchase appliances for apartments and the first wave of products were breaking within a couple of years. I ended up purchasing appliances from high-end European companies in…

Appliances have several different class and price is not a good indication of what class things are in. Cheap apartments want the cheapest appliances that will last and those people have the accountants to figure out what those are. However right next to the cheap appliances that last are cheap appliances that won't and often there is nobody that will tell you which is which. The you get into the mid range, where aga…

I agree there are tiers. I don’t believe the tier indicates quality. GE makes great appliances but I think the parts are engineered to last for x number of years rather than the life of the product.

I also doubt my accountant could answer appliance quality questions. The could probably give a depreciation table.

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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I have a >40 years old spring bed. I prefer it over modern beds, but I have never had the luxury to try out modern high end mattresses though.

Why the down-vote? I do have a >40 years old spring bed, and these "modern" beds I can get from Jysk or Ikea (or wherever it was gotten from) are awful in comparison, in fact, one of them broke after a month of use (with my ex) (it cost ~222 USD) and most modern beds I have laid on, they were all too hard for me, unlike the spring bed. The mattresses might be good, however. I have not tried the memory foam ones, for…

It might be because you're making a judgement about preference when you haven't actually tried modern mattresses and (presumably) toppers?

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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> Similarly it took me a long time to realize just how much better the veneer wood furniture and doors are compared to laminated chipwood. Price is 3-4 times higher but it lasts 5-10 times longer and is much more pleasant to use. Unfortunately you need years to notice such long-term differences, unless someone tells you. Isn't this also down to age? That is, stuff like that built 100 years ago is - in my head - bette…

>However, this may very well be survivorship bias - of course anything built 100 years ago still around today is good, because anything that wasn't as good is long gone. Like my ikea furniture will be as soon as I try to move it. It's a 100% surviorship bias. The knockoff "ikea" style flatpack dresser that I assembled (incorrectly) when I was 12 lasted 20 years, and only finally went away because I was moving in with…

> The stuff that lasts 100 years is primarily just whatever is bought by people who treat their stuff well.

This. It's equally funny and sad when I see new luxury cars with heavily scuffed rims. I don't care how well engineered the car is, it's not going to last.

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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post #124

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I don’t think StarLink was built to improve lives. See: how it’s being used as a control and power mechanism.

Starlink was built to provide a customer for large numbers of space launches.

Maybe in part, but you build an ISP (and then strong arm people into using it) because you want to control the data and the access. Especially when you clearly prioritize those things in your side jobs.

Re: What do wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? (2015)

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I really like this post since it shows how very little there is for the wealthy to buy other than status goods. The life of the rich, other than status, is very much like the life of upper middle class. The same phones, the same digital entertainment, the same appliances in their homes. We have very few items for the rich to buy. Honestly, it is a problem it breaks incentives and it drives the rich more towards statu…

well, except for:

  IMPACT. Your money can literally change the world and change lives.
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