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Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by rank0 »

adastra22 wrote: post #450
rank0 wrote: post #409

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Whats the point of open source if you can't fork or sell hosted clusters? Also from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSearch_(software) : > On September 16, 2024, the Linux Foundation and Amazon Web Services announced the creation of the OpenSearch Software Foundation.[15][16] Ownership of OpenSearch software was transferred from Amazon to OpenSearch Software Foundation, which is organized as an open technical projec…

> Whats the point of open source if you can't fork or sell hosted clusters? Is this sarcasm?

Not at all. Free information is free information.

Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by palata »

ikiris wrote: post #722
palata wrote: post #641

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I meant they have the resources to copy any product in a way that will crush the competition. As in, they can build an alternative to an open source project, offer it for free (i.e. at a loss) for years until they capture the market, and then start enshittifying. This is an antitrust problem. > Elastic explicitly allowed AWS to copy and use their source code, then whined about it. Yeah at the very least they should h…

Its really hard to make an argument that someone is selling under market to try to corner it when the alternative is free as well.

Well if there is a company paying salaries from it, it's not exactly free.

Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by fastball »

bravetraveler wrote: post #711
bravetraveler wrote: post #688

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antirez isn't the focus of my ire, stop. They simply have the misfortune of proximity. The actual CTO told us 'always BSD'. Now Salvatore is telling us it didn't totally expire. Great! Except... the CEO forgot. Here's a lesson about AGPL and the Big Bad Cloud. Give me a break or I'll take one. At risk of confusing things further: YouTube is leaking, is kind of my point. Apologies again for not exhaustively phrasing m…

~ $ curl -s 'https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=fastball' [...] I used to argue on the internet too much. Co-founder and tinkerer at supernotes.app Ah, it all makes sense now. Another point of criticism. Or, a Supernote, if you will: s/used to//

I'm not arguing with you (as there is no real substance to your comments with which to argue), I'm merely confused about your series of non-sequiturs. Bringing up Mullenweg under a blog post made by not the CEO of a different company whose behavior up to now has been very different from Mullenweg's is just... not very relevant. Due to this I charitably assumed you might not be aware of the actual corporate dynamics and proceeded accordingly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by adastra22 »

rank0 wrote: post #731
adastra22 wrote: post #450

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> Whats the point of open source if you can't fork or sell hosted clusters? Is this sarcasm?

Not at all. Free information is free information.

Interesting that you use the word "free." Long before there was open-source, it was called "free software" and the restrictions on use that required derivative software to give back their changes was the entire point.

Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by achillean »

echoangle wrote: post #342
achillean wrote: post #325

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Based on Internet-accessible services the number of Valkey servers is low (~120): https://trends.shodan.io/search?query=valkey_version+port%3A... Here's a chart of all Redis-compatible services (~55,000): https://trends.shodan.io/search?query=port%3A6379+redis_vers...

And how representative are publicly accessible redis/valkey instances for redis/valkey usage in general? And can shodan even differentiate Redis from a Valkey instance setup in a backwards-compatible way without being able to authenticate?

In absolute numbers probably not highly representative but the relative numbers are meaningful to measure adoption. And no, it requires the user to disable authentication in order to get the service details to differentiate between Redis and Valkey. But again, you can compare unauthenticated Redis to unauthenticated Valkey to see how the percentages are changing over time.

Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by acmeian »

pabs3 wrote: post #727
antirez wrote: post #623

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Microsoft does this.

Interesting, is there any more public info about this? If not, have you/Redis considered blogging about it?

It was announced back in November: https://redis.io/blog/introducing-azure-managed-redis/

Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by bravetraveler »

fastball wrote: post #733
bravetraveler wrote: post #711

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~ $ curl -s 'https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=fastball' [...] I used to argue on the internet too much. Co-founder and tinkerer at supernotes.app Ah, it all makes sense now. Another point of criticism. Or, a Supernote, if you will: s/used to//

I'm not arguing with you (as there is no real substance to your comments with which to argue), I'm merely confused about your series of non-sequiturs. Bringing up Mullenweg under a blog post made by not the CEO of a different company whose behavior up to now has been very different from Mullenweg's is just... not very relevant. Due to this I charitably assumed you might not be aware of the actual corporate dynamics a…

Don't need or want your misplaced charity. The vote to derailment ratio over the past day tells me you're the odd one out. This has been fun, take care. Hopefully more effectively.

Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by rank0 »

adastra22 wrote: post #734
rank0 wrote: post #731

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Not at all. Free information is free information.

Interesting that you use the word "free." Long before there was open-source, it was called "free software" and the restrictions on use that required derivative software to give back their changes was the entire point.

Except for all the instances where thats not the point. People of every community just love to gatekeep.

Re: Redis is open source again

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Post by amrocha »

jpc0 wrote: post #699
amrocha wrote: post #652

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Look, in principle I don’t disagree with anything you said. However, I think OSS is a net positive to the industry, and would like to see it remain that way. The classic way to monetize OSS has been to provide hosting and support for a price. Now the internet giants are taking that entire pie for themselves. If we agree that we want OSS to be a viable option going forward, and we agree that you need money to hire dev…

> and we agree that you need money to hire devs to maintain a successful large scale OSS project Therein lies our disagreement, you don’t need to. If you are amazon and upstream is willing to accept requests then amazon can hire devs, and if someone eats their cake then those devs will eventually migrate to the new location. As someone who did the initial work for OSS I put the code out there, if I dislike the direct…

If Amazon had to do enough maintenance work they’d just fork it and do it on their own proprietary version. They have literally done that.

This goes back to my original point. You’re living in fantasy land.

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