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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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I dislike how you think. When I drive, 99% of the time it's to get someplace, not go for a Sunday cruise. The better alternative is ongoing driver training beyond initial study.

That's the US philosophy and it's why road deaths per mile are so bad there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

That is arguably more aligned with the German philosophy given the no speed limit autobahn and road deaths per mile are not so bad there.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Once upon a time crossing the street meant walking across a 20 foot road with the occasional small car going 20-25 mph. Now it's a 4-8 lane stroad full of 6,000 pound trucks that can't see anyone shorter than 5 feet past the hood going 50 mph. How far will you let your kid walk from home alone? Anyway my point is just that pedestrian deaths have gone up even as the number of miles walked and biked (_especially_ by ki…

> Now it's a 4-8 lane stroad People weren’t letting their kids play near 8 lane freeways back in the day, either.

You missed the point, which is that many roads that used to be easily crossable roads are now 4-8 lane stroads.

Yes, people didn't let their kids play near freeways in the past. But now a much larger number of streets are freeway-style roads.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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If you want your kids to grow old and you live somewhere where cars are priority you don't have much choice but your backyard, a park or wilderness. And a backyard might not be super fun/big and parks and wilderness aren't accessible without an adult. I remember vividly when I was a kid and we were biking on the street and someone drove too fast, dad went out in the road and yelled him down, which was reasonable.

Or move to the Netherlands. But even here it's getting worse fast.

Or Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Japan (I think?) and parts of many other countries as well.

If you chose to live in a car friendly suburb in Sweden that's on you rather than "society" I'd say.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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>... we already effectively banned kids from playing outside... Do what now?

Every single residential street in America is full of cars parked or moving at 25+ mph. It's a miserable experience for anyone outside of a car and dangerous for smaller children who don't pay attention and can run into traffic.

>Every single residential street in America...

Even the largely carless (read: not many cars parked on the street) ones like my neighborhood that had a whole bunch of kids happily playing outside and in the street this weekend without issue? Every single one?

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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>>monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately That is a 100% strawman argument. NO ONE is proposing such measures No proposal, even the blanket EU requirements eliminate privacy in travel. The devices all work entirely locally with GPS to monitor speed vs local limits, and upon exceeding local limits, output an audio/tactile alert and/or limit accelerator inp…

Do you apply the same logic to backdoors in encryption? I am sure you could say no one is proposing implementing and using back doors on the general public as a whole, as they would only be for criminal elements. The reason that people oppose this is because the shift from only affecting criminal elements to affecting everyone is so easy to do that nothing would stop it once the infrastructure is in place.

OF COURSE NOT!

It is impossible to implement a backdoor to a broadly-used encryption method for only specific criminal individuals - it is being implemented across the entire usage base.

Adding a device to a specific criminal's vehicle for a limited time is highly specific.

I absolutely oppose any general application, and am favorable towards the slippery slope argument. I'm only responding to the above comment which falsely claims that we've already gone entirely down the slippery slope.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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The primary reason is political: people don't like the idea of the government living inside our cars 24x7, telling us how fast we're allowed to go. Even though most of us don't speed. Other examples of this phenomenon include: * A government mandated alcohol, cigarette, and BMI limit to prevent major health issues. * Government surveillance of our emails, messages, phone calls, bank accounts and internet activity. *…

> Even though most of us don't speed. I visited California once and was going from LAX to Kings Canyon National Park. I was driving the speed limit (I wasn't in any hurry) and got passed by literally everyone on the road. The vast majority of people drive faster than the speed limit. The question is "how much" over the speed limit you can comfortably go before you run the risk of being stopped and fined. Repeat offen…

I think you're probably right that most drivers are speeding but I will note that a sampling of drivers that pass you necessarily will not include any that are going your speed or slower. It doesn't take many drivers on the road to feel like you are constantly getting overtaken.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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>... we already effectively banned kids from playing outside... Do what now?

Once upon a time crossing the street meant walking across a 20 foot road with the occasional small car going 20-25 mph. Now it's a 4-8 lane stroad full of 6,000 pound trucks that can't see anyone shorter than 5 feet past the hood going 50 mph. How far will you let your kid walk from home alone? Anyway my point is just that pedestrian deaths have gone up even as the number of miles walked and biked (_especially_ by ki…

>How far will you let your kid walk from home alone?

Pretty damn far, actually, as the parent of two.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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>... we already effectively banned kids from playing outside... Do what now?

If you want your kids to grow old and you live somewhere where cars are priority you don't have much choice but your backyard, a park or wilderness. And a backyard might not be super fun/big and parks and wilderness aren't accessible without an adult. I remember vividly when I was a kid and we were biking on the street and someone drove too fast, dad went out in the road and yelled him down, which was reasonable.

As I said elsewhere, my neighborhood had a whole copse of kiddos, including my own, playing out and about throughout the streets this weekend.

/shrug

Edit: I don't care about upvote tallies or karma count, but it does seem pretty silly to downvote a comment for pointing out that areas like this, and play in those areas, still exist.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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> There are cars that can go way over 100 mph, and they almost all speed controlled by software. High performance cars are often speed limited by software to about 150 mph. How is this legal? Good question. My guess is as follows: Per the NHTSA [1] alcohol, excess speed, and not wearing restraints are the top three causes of vehicle-related deaths in the US in roughly equal measure (although alcohol edges out the oth…

> The German autobahn infamously doesn't have a blanket speed limit and is about as safe as other European highway systems. It's actually even safer: https://www.ncesc.com/geographic-pedia/what-is-the-accident-... When roads are well designed, maintained, and drivers well educated, and within the constraints of a culture which consider the impact of one's behaviour on others, speed does not appear to be a primary con…

Most people go below 130km/h on an autobahn. German drivers are pretty good and aware.

In comparison in Poland we have way more speed related accidents on our highways even though there is a speed limit. It's because we have a lot of very bad drivers who go too fast.

It's not enough to look at the speed limit. You would need to look at actual speed.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Except that driving at a speed significantly different from the surrounding traffic increases the risk of a crash.

I’m not sure that is the case. Bunching together look like a higher risk to me.

Bunching together happens because of irregular speed. You have traffic clusters because the front is slower than whatever the "natural" speed is, but not so slow that people elect to pass.

If traffic is all moving in a narrow range of speed the clusters are smaller and less dense.

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