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America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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> It may seem trivial to make that glass that separates your finger from the electronic engineering that powers your ability to access the internet, but it’s difficult.

Out of all examples one could pick, this is the worst, as Corning Gorilla glass is actually made in the USA (Kentucky), and used by all other manufacturers.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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America doesn't underestimate it, its president does.

For better or worse the man is exposing the mindboggling scale of deindustrialization that was hidden underneath America's transition to a "knowledge economy". Decades of failed economic policy has led America to this point.

That job retraining is going to happen ANY DAY NOW I tell you, and then those textile workers are going to be so glad that they can be call center workers.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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At UC Berkeley, over 75% of faculty applicants were rejected solely based on reviewing their diversity statements: https://thehill.com/opinion/education/480603-what-is-uc-davi... Rather conspicuously, Asians had the highest rate of rejection, followed by whites. Latin applicants had the second highest pass rate, Black applicants had the highest. The diversity statements were not anonymized (as in, the reviewers could…

If you’re basing your understanding of the subject based on one anti-DEI activist’s misinterpretation of policies he doesn’t actually know anything about, who didn’t talk to anyone at those schools (even critics of the policy), and who very likely misread statistics and intentionally misrepresented processes, then you are not getting a fair picture. This piece you linked to is a mess of unsubstantiated statements. Se…

> However, other University of California schools have published this information. In one recent search at UC Berkeley employing substantially similar evaluation techniques to those that UC Davis used, there were 893 qualified applicants who submitted complete applications that met the basic job requirements. Of those applicants, 679 were eliminated solely because their diversity statements were deemed inadequate.

Do you have any substantial criticism of the factual claims made here? Or are you just insisting that this is a misinterpretation, without any evidence?

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Why would that be better? Comparative advantage is real.

1. Jobs. 2. Profits. 3. Refined products can be exported to countries that don't have refinement capabilities. Not just the US and China. This gives Canada better trade leverage. 4. Security. A big one that's emerged in the last few weeks. I don't see either Poilievre or Carney talking about this which is disappointing but not unexpected.

Do you not believe in the theory of competitive advantage? The tradeoff is higher prices, do you think that doesn't matter?

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Well, money talks and it's hard to choose the other option. On one hand bring manufacturing back to US and pay them higher, because otherwise the pay in McDonald's is better with a less demanding physical (cmiiw, don't live in US). On the other hand, keep manufacturing outside of US for cheaper labor to keep price low and having bigger margin. It's an easy choice to make. And again this is not a US specific problem,…

The thing is also that absolutely nothing about the overall situation changed meaningfully over the last 50 years or so. People had the exact same concerns and fears when electronics manufacturing started shifting to Japan like 50 years ago-- they went in the same way up the value chain that China did, and they started losing a lot of the industry with rising wages, too, exactly like what we see with China => Vietnam…

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Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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We never stopped manufacturing, we just stopped employing people. > We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture That's trivially false given we're the second-largest manufacturer in the world. We just don't want to employ people, hence why we can't make an iphone or refine raw materials. The actual issue is that our business culture is antithetical to a healthy society. The idea of employing Americans is anti-bus…

It's shareholder capitalism. Capitalism can be a great thing, but shareholder capitalism defines profits as the only reason for a corporation to exist. Humans are simply resources to extract work or profit from, and destroying the future of the country is an unfortunate externality. CEOs are obligated to behave like sociopaths. Lying, cheating, stealing, and subverting democracy are all good business if it returns value to shareholders. We see this over and over again, and wonder why our society is so fucked up.

And since every major corporation is behaving like this, even if a CEO wanted to give a shit about the country, they can't do anything about it because someone else will be more cutthroat than them and eat their lunch.

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Importing immigrants directly into the military sounds like a bad idea. I’m guessing many would be less likely to want to lay their lives down for the new country, so drafting them seems like a great way to end up with a bunch of disloyal troops.

The traditional incentive that the military gives in these situations is that your spouse and children will be well taken care of if you serve, and even better taken care of if you die in service. Not endorsing that approach, just explaining.

Indeed, come here and expedite citizenship by serving America for an X number of years! In return along with expedited citizenship your partner and any kin can join you with your partner required to work/contribute some to the economy. Heck work in one of these new factories part or full time (if full time the new factories offer free day care).

Personally this concept is a more humane one then rounding/exiling want to be Americans in which the majority are not criminals! No they are hard workers coming here for a better life, why not give that to them and in return they "Make America Even Stronger!" ;-). That's what the current admin wants beef up defense, yet to me with immigration they are taking the wrong approach!

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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> Work to do what? Bring back manufacturing, and make the US economy work better for workers. > Why do you think this has anything to do with tariffs or manufacturing? Because usually the best-paying jobs were in factories, especially if you didn't have a college degree. A lot of towns in the Rust Belt were economically dependent on a local factory -- think cars or steelmaking. Often, part of the reason these factori…

> The problem and its underlying factors are so obvious to me that I'm constantly amazed to see well-informed, intelligent people who don't seem to understand it. Do you understand that labor is priced into the cost of the product? Who is going to buy all of these American products made by highly paid unionized workers? I understand the Rust Belt situation sucks, but people can’t afford to buy everyday consumer goods…

Hey, guess what would help the average American with being able to afford something that is expensive?

A job that pays a living wage!

I am reminded of when the great offshoring started and everyone was looking down on poorer folks for shopping at Walmart because it was filled with cheap junk and they should know better than to buy that stuff(when in reality it's all they could afford since their good job was gone...).

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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How many Americans are dying to and will do tedious labor (not many), as well robots, automation and AI can do a lot of it and or will end up doing a lot of it. If we want to strengthen America (military & economy) immigration reform is needed! This could be unpopular but such reform could be ...those who want to come here must serve in our armed forces for x amount of years and can bring two to four family members h…

Importing immigrants directly into the military sounds like a bad idea. I’m guessing many would be less likely to want to lay their lives down for the new country, so drafting them seems like a great way to end up with a bunch of disloyal troops.

How many wars has American been in within the past 40 to 50 years?

You say it's a bad idea, so it's a bad idea for an American citizen to join the armed forces too?

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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How many Americans are dying to and will do tedious labor (not many), as well robots, automation and AI can do a lot of it and or will end up doing a lot of it. If we want to strengthen America (military & economy) immigration reform is needed! This could be unpopular but such reform could be ...those who want to come here must serve in our armed forces for x amount of years and can bring two to four family members h…

These two to four family member who immigrate would not also be required to serve in the military? If not, what are the criteria used to select the one-out-of-five?

I think it be better if they had to work and contribute to our economy and society. They could work in one these new manufacturing plants, as no doubt if you ask farmers and other businesses that offer grunt work they will say they can not find Americans to do the work but they can find hard working and reliable immigrants to do it! How many immigrants nowadays do you see at a construction site? It's the majority for me here in York, PA.
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