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Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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I wasn't talking about Trump specifically, or even conservatives. Everyone on both sides automatically thinks the worst about everyone on the other side these days, usually just to score some internet points. It's a terrible way to go through life. We should show a little grace sometimes.

This dumb bothsiderism take is exactly the reason for the shitstorm hitting US right now. People really need to stop sane washing everything he says and try to actually have an objective glance at him and take him for who he is: a con man. He made a majority of conservatives as goddamn fools, voting against their own best interests because he said he'll punish the right people. Spoiler alert: he instead concentrated…

What social nets did he dismantle?

Similarly, democrats need to acknowledge that they are responsible for Trump getting elected. Immigration was one of the biggest issues for voters and it went rampant under the democrats.

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There are valid reasons for tariffs: * https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/when-are-tariffs-good Especially when it comes to certain areas of the economy: > Democratic countries’ economies are mainly set up as free market economies with redistribution, because this is what maximizes living standards in peacetime. In a free market economy, if a foreign country wants to sell you cheap cars, you let them do it, and you alloca…

> The right time to worry about manufacturing would have been years before the war, except you weren’t able to anticipate and prepare for the future

People were worrying about this as early as the 1970s when Japan started importing cars, and in the 1990s when Chinese markets started to open up under the condition that the Western companies partner with Chinese ones and effectuate technology transfers to them. These folks foresaw the future, but politicians and corporate managers didn’t care; they were focused on expansion at all costs.

Now that the future is today, all they can say is “I told you so,” which isn’t much comfort to anyone.

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This is why I don't know if he will/would actually hold fast through the turbulence of actually implementing anything he's threatened. Once we eat through inventories and stuff that left the ports & currently on the water, prices will go up. The country went insane when inflation crossed 5%, are we really going to do it again.. when the reason for it will be so singularly obvious?

Whilst the reason may be singularly obvious to those who consume various forms and sources of media, there's likely enough people that only consume re-published whitehouse press releases and the trump administration probably already has an alternative explanation that they'll use for these increased prices. And their target market will eat it up and ask for seconds.

Like a doomsday cult, with each failed prediction they will just keep pushing back the ostensible payoff. So far, we've seen "I will end inflation on day one" -> "this is still Biden's inflation" -> "there will be a little bit of pain" -> "the system has been broken for decades and it will take years to fix".

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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If Trump is America's Napoleon III, who is the world's modern Otto von Bismark?

I'm curious as to why you chose Napoleon III. The context under which he rose to power seem quite different from Trump's. America isn't in the middle of a 60-years long revolution/counter-revolution cycle. What are the similarities?

Thin-skinned, seeks popular acclaim as a substitute for respect from the old money he despises, erratic and contradictory policy strategies.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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> Why is no one highlighting how this is repeating history 8 years ago? Because it’s not? The tariffs which are currently in effect or soon to go into effect are so far out of line with anything in modern history that there is no comparison. The reason everyone is panicking is because people expected more of the same as 8 years ago but instead we got something massively worse, without a hint of cohesive strategy, and…

Lol there was no 'cohesive strategy' 8 years ago, what the heck you wtite about. You suffer some memory loss? He was chaotic, he was doing ego polishing reality show from day 1. The only difference was a 'barrier of sanity' that people around him formed, dampening his bipolar outbursts into more reasonable actions (or lack of thereof, often without his knowledge). He eventually fired all of them, forgot that part? No…

I think you misunderstood my comment as being pro-Trump in some way, but it absolutely was not. I was explaining why this round of tariffs is not a repeat of 8 years ago, it’s much worse. That’s it.

> what the heck you wtite about. You suffer some memory loss?

> licking his ass and patiently waiting for him to die or

I can see why political threads on HN are flagged away so aggressively. It’s hard to want to even try to have a conversation when this is the level of discourse getting upvoted.

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> What in the history of the US makes you believe it will be done sustainably? Unions, labor law, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_sit-down_strike in which the national guard and police used automatic weapons against striking workers, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Hall_disaster immortalized in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz7oguguIZE the winning of the work week, overtime pay, healthcare of any…

These are all great accomplishments for labor law but they have nothing to do with sustainability. Maybe I'm not being clear, when I say sustainably, I mean for the environment. Most energy companies won't even admit climate change is real or severely downplay it. So no, I still don't think it will be done sustainably.

> These are all great accomplishments for labor law

You asked me about what inspired me. I told you. If you need environmental wins, there's:

- Erin Brockovich vs. Pacific Gas & Electric (1993 Settlement)

- Dewayne Johnson vs. Monsanto (2018)

- Robert Bilott vs. DuPont (PFOA Contamination Cases, 1990s–2017)

- Roundup Litigation Beyond Johnson (2019–2020s)

- Founding of the EPA

- Passage of the clean water act

Just for a start.

Feel free to snatch defeat from the jaws of success before ever trying, though. Much easier that way. And probably someone else's fault.

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Only on China, the rest were largely removed.

> Only on China, the rest were largely removed. No they weren't. They were changed to 10%. Prior to all of this the average was 2.5%. So that's not a removal at all, but a rather large average increase even if you exclude the omglol China rate.

> No they weren't. They were changed to 10%

Sadly that’s not even true. We still have excessively high tariffs on many shipments from Mexico and Canada. 25% for non-USMCA goods.

China, Canada, and Mexico are our 3 largest trading partners. The tariffs levied on them have an outsized effect on net tariff rates.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Per Bloomberg, 20% fentanyl tariff on China still applies and these categories may yet receive their own unique tariff, https://archive.is/jKupW The exemption categories include components and assembled products, https://content.govdelivery.com/bulletins/gd/USDHSCBP-3db9e5... 8471 ADP (Automatic Data Processing) Machines: PCs, servers, terminals. 8473.30 Parts for ADPs: keyboards, peripherals, printers. 8486 Machines…

> 8486 Machines for producing semiconductors & ICs: wafer fab, lithography. Does US buy them from China too?

Not sure specifically, but most common chips aren’t fabbed on processes that require cutting edge machines like you hear about for nVidia or iPhone chips.

All of the little chips in everything else are fabricated on much simpler processes that require much less complex machinery.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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It's funny, (well, not funny ) because the social issues are the ones where the toothpaste doesn't go back in the bottle. Progress over the long run only goes in the right direction, there's no path to undoing broad acceptance of homosexuality just like we'll never go back to forbidding interracial marriage or women voting. So the top 1% will benefit economically from the right being in power, but the rest will spend…

Iran would like a word.

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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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> Why is no one highlighting how this is repeating history 8 years ago? Because it’s not? The tariffs which are currently in effect or soon to go into effect are so far out of line with anything in modern history that there is no comparison. The reason everyone is panicking is because people expected more of the same as 8 years ago but instead we got something massively worse, without a hint of cohesive strategy, and…

> people expected more of the same as 8 years ago Only ignorant close minded gullible people who refused to listen to all the experts and intelligent people paying attention, who have all now been totally vindicated, after warning about it at the top of their lungs, and who are now fully entitled to say "I TOLD YOU SO". Expert Comment: What might President Trump’s second term mean for the world? https://www.ox.ac.uk/…

Thank you it seems everyone has already forgotten project 2025.

Look I don't want to be too harsh on Americans nobody took the Nazis seriously when they had already written a book about how they saw the world... But none of this is shocking.

There is an ideology behind what Trump is doing and he never hid it from the world.

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