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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by pests »

nicce wrote: post #574
pests wrote: post #360

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I am a human so I can visit other sites with links or from word of mouth or business cards or literally anywhere? LLM finds out about it from me, when I ask it to go to the link. You don’t accuse browsers of “somehow find[ing] the existence of those pages”. How does a browser know what page to visit? The user tells it to. If I prompt an LLM “go to example.net and summarize the page” how is that any different from me…

That is certainly true. But that is not how these work 99% of the time. This post was originated by "search".

I think a distinction needs to be made between ingesting for LLM training and ingesting / crawling because a human asked it to during an inference session.

I have been talking about the latter, agree the former is abusive.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by hasbot »

techpineapple wrote: post #605
prawn wrote: post #343

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One suggested weakness of UBI is a lack of purpose. I wonder if the "solution" is somewhat as you implied: jobs without a strict return on investment. You get your stipend, but you're keeping your block clean by sweeping and mulching. They're getting theirs in exchange for cranking out sourdough at cost for the neighbourhood. Someone else gardens for elderly residents.

Im sure I’m overidealizing, but I’ve wanted to live off grid, or maybe in a small community. I watch these historical farm documentary tv shows, and they show how everyone in a town had a purpose and worked together, the blacksmith, the tile maker. And I do often think the limiting factor to a life like this is the “market” so if you could create these communities, and could be an artist/artisan/builder, without stri…

I've lived off-grid for three long summers (late spring to early fall). It's tremendous work. Most of the same systems exist it's just that one has to research, design, build, operate, maintain, and revise them instead of somebody else doing all that. Everybody has different goals, but for me, maintaining my own potable water system is not a goal or something I'm interested in. Living off-grid did change my perspective on some things. For example, I know now that I produce about a 4-gallon bucket of poop each month and yet my house has a tremendous sewer connection.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by sshine »

dgfl wrote: post #706
sshine wrote: post #587

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> As a German: He did As a Jew: He didn't. (This argument is absurd.) He was interviewed about it, and he said he didn't. How does being a German get you to jump to conclusions? Are you born with a special ability to detect nazi salutes? Like, did a mirror neuron and a nerve in your torso twitch? When I saw it, I recognised him beating his heart, throwing it to the crowd, and immediately thought "This is going to get…

I think the misconception you have is that nazism means “WW2 anti-semitism” for you. The education on the topic that we get in many European countries goes deeper than that. Would it be better if they called Elon a fascist? He did the fascist salute, after all. And as other commenters have said: if it endorses authoritarian far-right parties like a duck, has controversial white-supremacist parents like a duck, and do…

> Would it be better if they called Elon a fascist? He did the fascist salute, after all.

No, you mean to say “nazi salute” because it was used by NSDAP during WWII. The point here is that “nazi” now means “baddie”, and “fascist” is even worse because most people who are called that have nothing to do with Mussolini, either.

> if it endorses authoritarian far-right parties like a duck, has controversial white-supremacist parents like a duck, and does the fascist salute like a duck, at which point do we start wondering wether he’s actually a duck?

Cute. You can wonder, of course. That seems extremely warranted. But you can’t conclude based on the current evidence.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by sshine »

jascha_eng wrote: post #674
sshine wrote: post #587

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> As a German: He did As a Jew: He didn't. (This argument is absurd.) He was interviewed about it, and he said he didn't. How does being a German get you to jump to conclusions? Are you born with a special ability to detect nazi salutes? Like, did a mirror neuron and a nerve in your torso twitch? When I saw it, I recognised him beating his heart, throwing it to the crowd, and immediately thought "This is going to get…

Prefacing my comment with my nationality wasn't meant to give me authority over judging the situation, but about giving context on my point of view. Also you didn't read my comment correctly the whole point is that you don't have to assume he's a Nazi to condemn a Nazi-like salute.

It makes sense for Germans to react negatively to the salute regardless of its intent. It is, after all, banned in Germany.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by sshine »

dgfl wrote: post #707
sshine wrote: post #598

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> His gesture was _exactly_ like Hitler's. Hitler's was unlike the general population's, as it had a bend to it. You can bend reality all you like, but the intent of giving the Hitler salute was not there, as he has said. He's not secretly a nazi, and he's not openly a nazi. He's right-wing, yes. That's not illegal, and it happens to be the majority vote in the US. The most reasonable criticism is calling it a Roman…

The Roman salute has no direct connection to the Roman Empire. It was largely an invention of the 19th and 20th centuries and was popularized by fascist movements. > The most reasonable criticism is calling it a Roman salute and saying it bears connotations to imperialism, and that it was most recently practiced by Hitler. For the past >100 years, it’s been the gesture representing the fascist party in Italy and the…

> The Roman salute has no direct connection to the Roman Empire. It was largely an invention of the 19th and 20th centuries

Ok.

> You sound like you want to defend the gesture for some reason.

Not at all. I want to defend people who use it and don’t intend to associate with nazism.

> Whether or not he personally identifies with fascist ideology is secondary to the effect of his actions.

That is certainly true. But just because the pitchfork brigade has got riled up, there is no reason to applaud them.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by sshine »

LightBug1 wrote: post #704
sshine wrote: post #658

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Somehow you have convinced yourself that posting enough small things that could suggest that Musk is a nazi, but don’t really, add up to one convincing argument that he is. No, just post one good summary or obviously revealing incident. And if you point to the salutes, which triggered the whole thing, they’re obviously not sufficient by themselves. You have to at least hear what he has to say. Did you?

He's a Nazi or an absolutely disgusting troll. Both are pretty pathetic. The human thing to have would have been to say "sorry, watching it back, I can see how that looked" and it would have been over. But no. He's The Douche. It's also a balance of probabilities thing. He's leaning hard into the far-right at the moment, and he's a well known troll, so if you behave like a douchey troll Nazi, then people tend not to…

He is certainly a troll.

I mean, DOGE.

I guess that makes him not a nazi.

Great.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by LightBug1 »

sshine wrote: post #738
LightBug1 wrote: post #704

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He's a Nazi or an absolutely disgusting troll. Both are pretty pathetic. The human thing to have would have been to say "sorry, watching it back, I can see how that looked" and it would have been over. But no. He's The Douche. It's also a balance of probabilities thing. He's leaning hard into the far-right at the moment, and he's a well known troll, so if you behave like a douchey troll Nazi, then people tend not to…

He is certainly a troll. I mean, DOGE. I guess that makes him not a nazi. Great.

Bizarre. But thanks. I'll end with by saying - don't let your intense desire to support a person blind you from what the behaviour of a decent human being might be. Good luck.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by rank0 »

prawn wrote: post #725
rank0 wrote: post #644

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Dude...I mean this in the nicest way possible and only say it cause I think it's important for everyone to understand: People work for money. If a job has no pay, you can't expect it to get done. We need people to actually run hospitals, produce food, construct shelter/infrastructure, provide childcare/education, etc.

What UBI proposals are you reading that do away with actual jobs? There would still be jobs for people doing those things you described.

Okay…now that we agree that UBI won’t produce any meaningful labor. What benefit do we get out of the trillions of dollars of debt we’d be accumulating?

It’s a classic economic blunder that dictatorships love to make:

1. Create money & rack up debt.

2. Produce nothing.

3. Create inflationary crisis and exacerbate wealth inequality.

4. Highlight your good intentions and relish your new position as champion of the people.

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