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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by jval43 »

asdff wrote: post #572
seec wrote: post #513

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You are missing the point. These types of "budget" phones that Apple does are for people who can't/won't buy the flagship (because too expensive) but wouldn't buy something second-hand either. There are a LOT of people like that. It is not rational at all; they would rather buy something shittier for their money than get more value. My grandparents are like that. To buy in the second-hand market you need to have some…

I'm not talking about second hand. I'm talking about new from the carrier old model phones. Here is the verizon page for iphone 14s they have, you can get them for 0 down 0 a month through some deal from the cell phone plan. Apple can't compete with free. https://www.verizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-14/

I only see plans with 65$/month for 36 months, so 2340$ over 3 years. Which is a lot of money.

They even tell you what the actual rate is in the fine print. It's just priced in: 17.49$ over 36 months comes out to 629$.

>Monthly payments shown are for customers who qualify to pay $0 Down, $17.49/mo. for36months; 0% APR. Retail Price: $629.99

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by pzo »

nonchalantsui wrote: post #384
Mistletoe wrote: post #229

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I wish they would make a mini version of this, it would be perfect. After the 13 Mini, us small phone lovers are screwed.

On the bright side, when your mini dies, there will likely be better flips out there. The Z Flip 6 isn't that bad currently, and I really did enjoy how much pocket space it saved, but if you're stuck to Apple it's another 2 years before they release their attempt.

its not only about size but related to this smartphone weight. I find iphones quite heavy. Used to have iphone XS and now having iphone 13 mini and enjoying it more. Flip phones are even heavier.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by Tade0 »

phyrex wrote: post #293
hot_gril wrote: post #186

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The other phonemakers didn't grumble about the jack because they realized they could pull the same scam

Oh please. They all made fun of it and THEN switched a year later

Not all though. Sony retains the jack, screen without cutouts and the SD slot.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by hnaccount_rng »

selcuka wrote: post #725
xattt wrote: post #724

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I can’t understand how someone can say with certainty the capacity down to a single digit (327 9 ). There would be manufacturing differences that would induce at least some variation from phone-to-phone.

It is the capacity published by Apple. Apparently some regulatory bodies [1] require that information. [1] https://www.mysmartprice.com/gear/mobiles/mobiles-news/apple...

But it is an interesting question: What is the manufacturing tolerance? Naively I had assumed that it's much smaller than a watt-hour. But that's based on ~no knowledge :D

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by avgd »

owenversteeg wrote: post #339
deergomoo wrote: post #176

At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

A handful of years ago, before anyone had figured out how to properly optimize for attention, we all had small-screen phones. The “small phone” problem is really just that it’s not as addictive. Apple wants you to spend more time on-screen [0] and so do you [1.] I really hope you’re not thinking about spending less time on-screen. Technology companies love you and care about you. They usually know what’s best. You sh…

> I really hope you’re not thinking about spending less time on-screen.

Your sarcastic tone reminds me of a Steve Jobs interview.

> In 2010, a New York Times reporter had a conversation that revealed a lot about the life of the founder of Apple. Nick Bilton commented, “Your kids must love the iPad, right?” After the launch of the device. Jobs replied, “They haven't used it. We limit the amount of technology our children use at home. "

Yeah, they know what it is that they are doing to the world. And they do not care, profits > humanity.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by jval43 »

seec wrote: post #513
asdff wrote: post #425

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The market for a cheaper iphone like this has always been just buying a 4 year old phone for like $0-small few hundred from your carrier. Makes no sense for apple to push a new product in this segment when their own supply eats it. And all they really offer in the se is a new old iphone anyhow making use of old components they have spare inventory available or on order from their vendors remaining supply lines.

You are missing the point. These types of "budget" phones that Apple does are for people who can't/won't buy the flagship (because too expensive) but wouldn't buy something second-hand either. There are a LOT of people like that. It is not rational at all; they would rather buy something shittier for their money than get more value. My grandparents are like that. To buy in the second-hand market you need to have some…

>It is not rational at all; they would rather buy something shittier for their money than get more value. My grandparents are like that.

It's entirely rational. I bought plenty of used phones, and even repaired them myself because I couldn't afford new ones. Would not do that again.

The risk of getting scammed, or getting a phone with issues is too high. Both have happened to me in the past. It can even be dangerous if someone swapped out the battery with a cheapo fire hazard. A lot of resale prices are also simply too high to be worth it.

Now imagine your grandparents. As you said, the exact model/chip doesn't matter, any phone is good enough. What they're buying is an appliance that will last at least the warranty period (2 years, EU), but likely much longer. Basically piece of mind at a fixed price. They won't get scammed (online) or ripped off (used in a physical store) if they buy directly from Apple.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by amazingman »

makeitdouble wrote: post #533
bustling-noose wrote: post #225

Think of the QC modem as an API and that API is limited to what QC wants apple or anyone else using their modem to do. The firmware is pushed by QC and then apple can use it to update it’s modems of QC when it does it’s now updates. Now with C1 that API is designed at apple and in a way that their soc team wants to get the best battery life along. So the modem can be turned off / on updated request data signals etc i…

> Would love a 5G MacBook with a data plan. I thoroughly enjoyed the ATP podcast discussion on this. Sounds like the base assumption is Apple is incapable of having decent tethering even as they control the whole ecosystem, including special protocols in-between their product they design 100% from hardware to software. But somehow pushing the modem in the MacBook solves this...because Apple is then good at managing t…

>But somehow pushing the modem in the MacBook solves this...because Apple is then good at managing transient network connections in macos, hooking to complex mesh networks on protocols they don't control ?

A cell modem is mostly just another uplink, with all the hard stuff being done in the modem. The user doesn't need to do anything to use it. Tethering requires extra stuff to happen: the user has to initiate the connection, the iPhone has to reconfigure its networking, and I imagine there's a bunch of security layers that must be passed through before tethering is allowed. It's 2 entirely different scenarios.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by pests »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #445
bdhcuidbebe wrote: post #436

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> I think the iphone does a lot more in the background than you might consider initially. I understand that. My point being that 25 year old tech, before the real miniatyrization of circuits and power efficiency mind you, has 7x charge time and yet we are impressed by a few additional hours. > Here is an experiment to try. Use your phone as you currently do, but turn on airplane mode when you aren't otherwise using t…

The difference is passive. Your phone is constantly pooling for both 4g, and 5g signal. Then using that to pool for notifications from apps. This is stuff your Nokia didn’t do at the same scale. At best some sms at a significantly reduced polling rate. My apps auto update in the background. Something my Nokia from 2007 didn’t do. So there are many passively provided features but by definition they are not obvious to…

> At best some sms at a significantly reduced polling rate.

SMS was piggybacked onto the control plane messaging. That is why the limit was 160 chars (only space available) and why texts can still work when the cell towers are overloaded.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by pests »

Tade0 wrote: post #733
phyrex wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh please. They all made fun of it and THEN switched a year later

Not all though. Sony retains the jack, screen without cutouts and the SD slot.

They really did themselves dirty calling it a notch, drawing attention to the loss of space. They should have used something like "extra screen ears" - implying you are getting some extra space around the sensors.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by wuming2 »

Still happy with my iPhone 7. Replaced display and battery, at an Apple Store, last year. Gaming, AI and photography are curiosities I look at from afar. For the rest it drives me around on vacation via CarPlay and Apple Maps. Handles my home banking, pre paid card and Apple Pay without a hitch. Chatting and calling on too many apps. Manages my digital IDs, medical records, emails, notes and calendar. Translates my conversations and runs Automations. It will soon help me charge an electric car. What more can I expect from it.
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