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Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by snapcaster »

rossfan wrote: post #703
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #679

I know he wasn't convicted of hiring a hitman, and I know the attempt didn't succeed, but he still tried to kill other people. Moreover, during a Bitcoin conference, he gave a live talk from prison via phone and still lied, claiming they planted the log on his laptop. A full pardon is ridiculous. It's unfair to so many people, including his partners like Variety Jones, also known as Thomas Clark. On the other hand, I…

Because the federal government would never plant a log on his computer in order to obtain a conviction. Next people will be saying the CIA killed JFK. How can we lose faith in the judicial system, fuck, the very government considering how consistently benign and trust worthy its been time and time again.

I honestly have no idea what the truth of the case was, but it is crazy to me how people never seem to update their priors on what the US gov is capable of. Everytime they get caught doing something like this people go "wow thats crazy" and then immediately go back to telling everyone saying non-mainstream ideas to take their meds

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by aspect0545 »

skylurk wrote: post #729
constantcrying wrote: post #722

Here is what the discussion looked like almost a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9626985 Very striking to see how the sentiment has drastically shifted, while the facts of the case did not. There is a really cultural shift visible in how this issue is seen on here.

Seems kinda the same to me?

Now people complain about the pardon, back then people complained about the sentence. People love to complain.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by lvass »

rossfan wrote: post #703
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #679

I know he wasn't convicted of hiring a hitman, and I know the attempt didn't succeed, but he still tried to kill other people. Moreover, during a Bitcoin conference, he gave a live talk from prison via phone and still lied, claiming they planted the log on his laptop. A full pardon is ridiculous. It's unfair to so many people, including his partners like Variety Jones, also known as Thomas Clark. On the other hand, I…

Because the federal government would never plant a log on his computer in order to obtain a conviction. Next people will be saying the CIA killed JFK. How can we lose faith in the judicial system, fuck, the very government considering how consistently benign and trust worthy its been time and time again.

Poe's law.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by tim333 »

constantcrying wrote: post #722

Here is what the discussion looked like almost a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9626985 Very striking to see how the sentiment has drastically shifted, while the facts of the case did not. There is a really cultural shift visible in how this issue is seen on here.

I guess people feel ten years in prison was adequate punishment.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by philomath_mn »

lionkor wrote: post #479
fsckboy wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wasn't there evidence of hiring a hitman to commit a murder in furtherance of the Silk Road? that's not part of "the debt of running the silk road"

Yes but he did get scammed as that wasn't a real hitman

Intent matters!! For all he knew, Ulbricht had killed those guys and he was fine with that

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by LincolnedList »

rco8786 wrote: post #720
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #679

I know he wasn't convicted of hiring a hitman, and I know the attempt didn't succeed, but he still tried to kill other people. Moreover, during a Bitcoin conference, he gave a live talk from prison via phone and still lied, claiming they planted the log on his laptop. A full pardon is ridiculous. It's unfair to so many people, including his partners like Variety Jones, also known as Thomas Clark. On the other hand, I…

> I'm pretty sure he won't do anything like this again. Famous last words, eh?

Next time he will double check the hitman is legit

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by immibis »

constantcrying wrote: post #722

Here is what the discussion looked like almost a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9626985 Very striking to see how the sentiment has drastically shifted, while the facts of the case did not. There is a really cultural shift visible in how this issue is seen on here.

What I don't understand is why Donald Trump, of all people, is being lenient on drug traffickers.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by echoangle »

constantcrying wrote: post #722

Here is what the discussion looked like almost a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9626985 Very striking to see how the sentiment has drastically shifted, while the facts of the case did not. There is a really cultural shift visible in how this issue is seen on here.

Can you explain the differences you see? People found the sentence too harsh at the time, too, it looks like.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by immibis »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #688
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #679

I know he wasn't convicted of hiring a hitman, and I know the attempt didn't succeed, but he still tried to kill other people. Moreover, during a Bitcoin conference, he gave a live talk from prison via phone and still lied, claiming they planted the log on his laptop. A full pardon is ridiculous. It's unfair to so many people, including his partners like Variety Jones, also known as Thomas Clark. On the other hand, I…

Actual murderers get out in the time that Ross served. The concept of justice must include an element of proportionality, I would argue that Ross's sentence, for a first time non-violent criminal, was over the top. Without proportionality justice becomes arbitrary, based more on luck and your connections to power. We punish those we can punish: the little guy. Whilst those running governments, corporations and networ…

Yeah, but in that case, we should pardon all people convicted of drug possession or distribution, not specifically Ross.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by reactordev »

tim333 wrote: post #734
constantcrying wrote: post #722

Here is what the discussion looked like almost a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9626985 Very striking to see how the sentiment has drastically shifted, while the facts of the case did not. There is a really cultural shift visible in how this issue is seen on here.

I guess people feel ten years in prison was adequate punishment.

I don’t disagree but I also don’t agree with the life sentence. If he was charged properly with the crimes stated during his trial, maybe that would be warranted but he wasn’t charged with it, only the website charges and conspiracy. Which some of them could apply to meta or craigslist if you got creative.
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