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> as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban Are you completely acknowledged about certain mechanisms doing that? I (not an Aussy) also support this but not via becoming the Government's slave.
How would you do it instead?
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Do you really think TikTok has more power in the US than the local oligarchs and warlords? Short-form video does more to "internal strife" than the lack of basic government services, widespread substance abuse and state violence?
Traditional media is dead in the US. Joe Rogan dwarfs media midgets like CNN, in both ratings and shear influence. Most of this new media is still using platforms based in the US or friendly nations, but that balance of power could shift very quickly. The rapid rise of TikTok shows that the dominance of American platforms cannot be taken for granted, and so the government is reacting in a bipartisan manner to this th…
His show is not revolutionary or dissident in the least, he isn't at all politically or socially motivated.
How about this: maybe the restrictions and threat of ban on TikTok is about the CLOUD Act and unfettered, secret access to personal data?
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You forgot it's mostly about Chinese Communist Party influence (or eventual influence) if they get firmly entrenched in the public mindset of the USA. No nation political apparatus should have such a large direct (actual or potential) influence into the minds of the US public. It's a national security risk of the highest priority. Not every security risk is saber-rattling or direct cybersecurity threats. it's one thi…
> direct injection of said propaganda straight into our toddlers, teens, and tweens brain by that same logic, shouldn't we then ban ig/facebook/threads/twitter/etc.? but since its our propaganda, we can classify as 'news' or some other thing? i very much get what you're saying in principle (re: CCP); however, i don't see the difference in potentially, negatively affecting children's brains. EDIT: corrected word
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I was referring to "how could you be sure that American made LLMs are not altered in a way to maximize US interests at the costs of everyone else's." But your answer intelligently redirecs focus to different topic. Is it on purpose ?
I wasn't responding to any upthread point you might have made about LLMs, I was responding to your suggestion that U.S. is more democratic than China. I don't see much of a difference, and if anything there's a very real possibility the two-party system allows people in charge of policy to distract from many issues with partisan politics. Both parties are the same with how they cater to the wealthy and the capitalist…
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I'm not sure if you meant to reply to me, but I was very clear about the point, it wasn't "every point that disagrees with me". Unless you don't think it's relevant to point out that a specific recurring point promoted by and paid for by Russian State media, under the disguise of "conservative free speech"?[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/tim-...
Right, i don't think that's relevant. You see how "bad person has that opinion therefore the opinion is invalid" doesn't lead to any kind of productive conversation right?
I never accused anyone of being good or bad, I can't know that.
But what I do know is that this angle is used quite often by the same people who push Russian propaganda, like Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, and Benny Johnson.
How would you approach someone who has been misinformed into believing free speech protects foreign state interference and that's ok, for example?
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censorship schmensorship. This is more banal than that. China bans US companies from doing business in China. This is quid pro quo. Chinese companies, of the same industry, are getting banned in US.
Microsoft, Apple, Tesla are doing extremely well in China making hundreds of billions. Tesla even got free land and loans, aka Chinese government subsides. Name a few Chinese tech companies doing the same in the US? Maybe you are suggesting that Chinese should ban Tesla, Apple and Microsoft as well?
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This move unfortunately has nothing to do with harm of social media. Its purely about economical war with china. US is simply protecting its interests. So not only the ruling class in US doesnt care about the harms of social media. They are actively protecting the results - the profits and data/spying/control facebook brings. They will surely not limit or break up facebook unless it would result in getting more resul…
It’s definitely not “purely about economical war”. A large part of it was public support for Palestine and the perceived role of TikTok in it, which explains the timing of the ban and why it succeeded this time around. Evidence? Well, many congresscritters were very open about this motive, e.g. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/lawmaker... But yes, of course “social media is bad for children” had no…
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Europe should ban American social media companies. They'd be doing themselves a favor, and a favor to most Americans as well (who, shareholders excepted, do not personally benifit from these tech corps being so massive.)
That would result in a domino effect that would inevitably result in the internet being segregated by nationality.
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Holy shit do you actually work for the U.S. State Department? Reuter reported this: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covi... U.S. social media absolutely are controlled by the U.S. government, and we can, and have been able to get any user data we want from them.
Here is the dividing line rarely discussed openly. I and many other Americans truly believe the United States government and it's oligarchs are their greatest threat to American citizens. Not China, Russia, Iran etc. The latter are certainly threats but they don't have anywhere near the capacity nor desire to limit my rights like the United States does.