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Could you please stop posting flamebait to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly, unfortunately.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42306816.
South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
#732I love how Hacker News moderators will let international political news stay on the site. But never any US political news stay on. Unless it serves the tech industry.
A few weeks ago, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42057647 was the largest thread in HN's history. More than twice the size of the previous largest thread, in fact.
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Sure. One example is when you have inferior force. You cant force someone to do something with threats, but you can pay them to do something. Another example is when the cost of violence is high. If have two people with guns, or MAD scenarios, violence isnt an effective way to get what you want, so payment can be better. The last example and simplest is if you need a service and the other party simply chooses destruc…
These are all interesting examples, but they support the point rather than deny it. If you have an inferior force, usually you get invaded (see Ukraine). Even paying can still be done to support your opposition until they control the government (see banana republics). Either way, you no longer hold the monopoly on violence, somebody else does. Guns and MAD are exactly the kind of violence society is founded upon. Ult…
We just have to agree to disagree then. I think a huge part of the structure is violence, but not all of it. The fact that violence exist and is important does not negate the rest.
People with inferior violence and still have powers available.
This is obvious because two people can still conduct business even if they have guns pointed at each other's head. Two people can conduct business if neither of them have guns and a third party is a gun at both of their heads.
This means that there are powers beyond violence that can be used to influence others.
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> It is odd however that the U.S. government escalates in Ukraine, there is a new color revolution in Georgia (the country adjacent to Russia), the Syrian rebels launch a major attack and now this. All of this "coincidentally" makes Trump's peace efforts more difficult. Escalating in Ukraine (against Russia), launching a major attack against Assad (a Russian ally) and an upcoming revolution against an (allegedly) pro…
Launching a major attack against Assad (a Russian ally) and an upcoming revolution against an (allegedly) pro-Russian government in Georgia all seem to fit into a pattern. The only "pattern" between these two at least -- is that you haven't cited any direct, observable reason to believe that US agencies have been behind these events. You know, "evidence" and all that. But rather simply -- speculation.
You know, the idea of so called coups, revolutions and so on is that they should be impossible to tie to foreign agencies, at least for the first couple of months. Ex. Iran-1953, Chile-1973, etc.
Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
#735Earlier quoted context omitted.
Launching a major attack against Assad (a Russian ally) and an upcoming revolution against an (allegedly) pro-Russian government in Georgia all seem to fit into a pattern. The only "pattern" between these two at least -- is that you haven't cited any direct, observable reason to believe that US agencies have been behind these events. You know, "evidence" and all that. But rather simply -- speculation.
You know, the idea of so called coups, revolutions and so on is that they should be impossible to tie to foreign agencies, at least for the first couple of months. Ex. Iran-1953, Chile-1973, etc.
And that's the "evidence", is what you're saying?
The world has changed a lot in the last 50 years, you know.
Especially in terms of the ability of countries/agencies to keep pretty much anything of this nature secret for more than 15 minutes.
Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
#736I love how Hacker News moderators will let international political news stay on the site. But never any US political news stay on. Unless it serves the tech industry.
A few weeks ago, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42057647 was the largest thread in HN's history. More than twice the size of the previous largest thread, in fact.
OT: how can one search HN by number of comments? Algolia sorts by date or votes, but not comments.
The linked thread is also very highly ratioed, with a 5.36:1 comments:votes ratio, which is also pretty high on the flamewar / spiciness scale. (I'll have to check my own front-page archive for any higher comment:vote ratios.)
The highest voted post remains Stephen Hawking's obituary:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16582136>
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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
#737Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know, the idea of so called coups, revolutions and so on is that they should be impossible to tie to foreign agencies, at least for the first couple of months. Ex. Iran-1953, Chile-1973, etc.
And that's the "evidence", is what you're saying? The world has changed a lot in the last 50 years, you know. Especially in terms of the ability of countries/agencies to keep pretty much anything of this nature secret for more than 15 minutes.
CIA involvement in both cases was proved with documents only recently, after declassification of documents.
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#738Earlier quoted context omitted.
And that's the "evidence", is what you're saying? The world has changed a lot in the last 50 years, you know. Especially in terms of the ability of countries/agencies to keep pretty much anything of this nature secret for more than 15 minutes.
CIA involvement in both cases was proved with documents only recently, after declassification of documents.
Right - because this was a completely different era, and information moved infinitely more slowly back then (and up until Vietnam unravelled, people are way more reluctant to call out of the government on its shenanigans compared today).
Even so - actually it's a myth that most of these coups were even "secret" at time. By and large, the people actually living in these countries knew what as up. The Arbenz coup in 1954, for example (not on your list, but a canonical example of this "pattern") was exposed right away, and the US got a lot of flack for it internationally.
Anyway, it's not like I'm asking hard "proof" and the full operational details. Just, you know, some objective indication that there's something going on along the lines of what you're alluding to.
Which these days would be nearly impossible to hide for any length of time.
Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
#739Earlier quoted context omitted.
And that's the "evidence", is what you're saying? The world has changed a lot in the last 50 years, you know. Especially in terms of the ability of countries/agencies to keep pretty much anything of this nature secret for more than 15 minutes.
CIA involvement in both cases was proved with documents only recently, after declassification of documents.
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