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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by r00fus »

jjcm wrote: post #448

Since this thread seems to be about niche asks for pro users, despite the product being targeted towards casual users who want an easy out of the box experience, I'll add my own to the mix. I'd love a bigger/better screen on these, specifically an ultrawide variety. An iMac Pro with an 8k ultrawide would be a near-instant purchase for me. I find the ultrawide form factor so good for productivity. I love the apple "it…

I have the same monitor and honestly BetterDisplay.app has made the CRG9 a lot better - it fakes HiDPI so you have much larger readable text (my eyes ain't what they used to be).

Before that app, I was leaning into my monitor, now I sit back and enjoy.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by conradev »

rowanG077 wrote: post #706
conradev wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

I think it's extremely overestimated by the technical crowd how many people would ever upgrade their RAM or SSD in their Macbook. I honestly doubt it's even in the single digit percentage points. The energy, engineering and material wasted on having connectors probably vastly outweighs the environmental savings by having that one tech person upgrade their RAM or SSD,

I bought an M1 Max with a 2TB SSD, but I’m running up against the capacity and I want more storage. The computer is still plenty fast. Normally, I’d upgrade my computer and continue using it, but now I need to sell it and get a new one to get more storage. Not to mention the carbon cost of doing that, these things are $4000!

Further, when I buy a new one, I’m now incentivized to over-provision it based on my current needs by that same logic.

OWC has an entire business around this (for older Macs): https://www.owc.com/

Photos and videos get larger each year with larger sensors, so it can be hard to predict future usage if you take a lot of those.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by conradev »

v1ne wrote: post #699
conradev wrote: post #600

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It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

Using an M2 SSD instead of soldering the chip on board has more implications: PCB gets physically larger, and takes more power or has less performance talking to the SSD. Heat transfer is also worse. I completely understand why they go for a soldered SSD chip. One way of true environmentally-friendly innovation could have been to find a way to attach the SSD chip so that a user could safely replace it, though, with l…

Yes! I forgot that the NVMe controller is on-die. I want some way to swap the NAND chips. Reminds me of this video:

https://youtu.be/KRRNR4HyYaw

For an iMac, though, they have a bigger thermal envelope and no battery. It seems more reasonable. Apple even did the software engineering necessary to support the Mac Pro.

That would be Apple’s counter-argument right there. Want Linux on your M1? Get a Mac, not an iPad. Want swappable storage? Get a Mac Pro, not an iMac.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by ray__ »

SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

I solved this with a ~$200 driver board from AliExpress. I love the result because it's thinner than any other monitor that I own and I can swap between my MacBook Pro and my desktop machine (running either Windows or Linux).

Obviously this requires a little bit of tinkering and the end result isn't nicely packaged like a factory Apple product would be, but it only took about half an hour to put together and I haven't had any issues with the driver board yet. And it was way cheaper than a "Retina" display from Apple or LG.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mihaaly »

piyuv wrote: post #688
romanobro56 wrote: post #616

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“They only dedicate real resources in the direction of self interest” Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so!

You know, keeping the planet we live on alive is also self interest.

(... just silently, with a shy look: perhaps could make and distribute much much less fast obsoleting electronic devices then?... just an idea...)

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by latexr »

015a wrote: post #658
latexr wrote: post #380

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> in homage to the O.G. That is a poor example of the thing you’re trying to mock. That exchange is an example of what one should do, it does not deserve derision. dang explained it well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27067281

I proposed the nomination of an award to this commentator! That's hardly derision. I'm actually a little hurt that you would treat my comment with such derision :(

> I proposed the nomination of an award to this commentator! That's hardly derision.

Awards can definitely be derisive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Raspberry_Awards

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by moffkalast »

Lammy wrote: post #469
dlevine wrote: post #348

I'm surprised they are still shipping these with 256GB of storage base. I had a Macbook with a ~500GB SSD in 2012 (I installed it), and a 500GB spinning disk in like 2008 (also user installed). A 500GB SSD can be had for <$50 these days, and a 1TB for <$100. Still plenty of profit for Apple, even if they bump up the base storage to 512GB and make 1TB a $200 upgrade...

Hello from The Land Of Perverse Incentives :( https://support.apple.com/en-us/108047#nasalac

Hey I've seen this one, this is a classic!

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by nextos »

waynecochran wrote: post #635
jjtheblunt wrote: post #570

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> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

It's simple. I have a old iMac w a 5K screen. I would like to just but a now Mac Mini and keep using my iMac as a monitor. Instead my 5K iMac will end up in a landfill. Which is less green.

New Mac Minis are coming later on this week, apparently, and they will also have M4 CPUs.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mortenjorck »

phpnode wrote: post #300
dijit wrote: post #128

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There are so many legitimate reasons to hate the magic mouse. Ergonimics, the polling rate, the way the glass gets greasy, the scratchy hard plastic on the bottom. Truly, inferior to the Logitech MX Master in all ways except looks. (which is subjective). But it takes literally a few seconds to get a days worth of charge out of the mouse, Apple clearly don't want you to leave it plugged in to use as a wired mouse: why…

It’s all about tension on the lightning connector imo - the connector isn’t designed for that level of flexibility, so it would break and it’s not like they’re going to use a different connector just for the mouse

This is the best steelmanning I've seen of the Magic Mouse charging port design; I'm surprised I never encountered it before. It actually makes a lot of sense considering how stiff the cables typically are, and it also then makes sense that the (immobile) Magic Keyboard and Magic Trackpad do have a charging port you can use while the device is in use.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by conradev »

lynx23 wrote: post #674
conradev wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

Funny how accessibility seems to be both. Too complex and manpower-sucking to actually fully support, and cheap, because someone need his argument to work. As a VoiceOver (blind) iOS user (since 13 years or so) I submit you are underestimating the complexity of something like shipping a screen reader for every device you put out. Yes, there are days where I hope the Accessibility Team had more resources to fix obviou…

The entire organization is very small. The work is complex, yes. They get to work early on their new platforms, which is great planning and prioritization. All great stuff.

But if it took an organization 1,500 people strong, like Maps and Siri did, I’m not so sure the Apple of today would do it.

The praise goes first to the hard working engineers and managers who deeply care about this stuff, and second to management is all I’m saying.

For context, I built the Shortcuts app!

(edit: AX is also a much broader effort, because it improves usability for everyone on the ability spectrum, and it digs into design, too. So I do think it does have a more foundational role because Apple is still at its core a design-driven company. I think of all of the effort to make the apps usable at all text sizes, for example. The easier to use the products are for more people, the more people will buy them. There are less inherent trade-offs in AX than with the environment/carbon, where selling fewer devices is in direct conflict with sustainability goals.)

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