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Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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I'm sick of this absurd FUD. You surely must realize that the claims that if Trump wins, democracy is going to end are just fearmongering, don't you?

How is it FUD? The last time Trump was elected Democracy died... didn't it? /s

Yeah - let’s give the moronic narcissist a second chance, since he was stymied by entrenched republican institutions and own incompetence the first time. It is only fair!

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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Newspapers publish opinions for the same reason that they publish comic strips: people want to read them. Readers seek them out. Newspapers are a business and have to give their customers what they want. The problematic aspect here is that the current business owner, Jeff Bezos, has a conflict of interest. Bezos is making a bad business decision for The Washington Post, sacrificing it and losing readers for the sake…

that’s some mental gymnastics. so newspapers are free to publish opinions, it is in their business interest………………(but only if the opinion is the one I want otherwise it is not good business)

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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To play Devils Advocate for a moment: Why do we need, or even want, a newspaper to endorse a President? How does it not undermine a paper's journalistic ethics to be neutral and fair?

That’s a bit beside the point in this case. Newspapers are supposed to have a first amendment right to say whatever they want and the key concern is that Bezos spiked the editorial to curry favor with Trump.

Bezos own the paper, so it's _his_ first amendment right, not the editorial board's.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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It influences no one, but it sends a pretty loud message to the Democratic party that (now two, LATimes did same thing) normally reliable media orgs have lost confidence in the democrat party’s ability to bring forth a competitive candidate against Donald Trump.

> it sends a pretty loud message to the Democratic party that normally reliable media orgs have lost confidence in the democrat party’s ability to bring forth a competitive candidate against Donald Trump. It's not two media organizations. Both wrote endorsements of Harris. Two self-interested billionaires decided that they and their personal fortunes would be better off if those endorsements were not published. The m…

> It's not two media organizations. Both wrote endorsements of Harris. > Two self-interested billionaires decided that they and their personal fortunes would be better off if those endorsements were not published.

How is it worse than a small cadre of elitist mono-culture editors using the reputation of WaPo for their chosen candidate?

Bezos didn't force WaPo to endorse another candidate, I think it's actually good they don't endorse anyone at all.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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There you are! The correct response. Should this not fall under the "private company, do what they want" mantra we were all so fond of wrt (pre-Musk...) Twitter, Facebook, et al? The further advice then was; "make your own social media platform." Same thing happened at LA times a few days ago, also replete with an editor quitting, when owner Patrick Soon-Shiong blocked the same Kamala endorsement. You're free to not…

We also have the freedom to gripe about it. That is also the correct response.

I think GP is asking for consistency.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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post #296

Newspapers publish opinions for the same reason that they publish comic strips: people want to read them. Readers seek them out. Newspapers are a business and have to give their customers what they want. The problematic aspect here is that the current business owner, Jeff Bezos, has a conflict of interest. Bezos is making a bad business decision for The Washington Post, sacrificing it and losing readers for the sake…

'...sacrificing it and losing readers for the sake of his other business interests, i.e., government contracts.'

Sound point unless you figure Bezos is accepting government may be about to change?

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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I've yet to see an argument against this not delivered in bad faith. If the publication in question was the NY Post, Washington Times, or another center-right newspaper, the very same group currently having a collective meltdown on social media would be praising them with an equally melodramatic "saving democracy" or some other manufactured phrase du jour.

I'm really not sure of this. The argument I've mostly seen is that the endorsement was always mostly meaningless. If anything, this is a "coverup worse than the crime" situation. Killing the endorsement is much more notable than just letting it happen because it's what everyone was worried about when Bezos bought the paper - that he'd inject his own consideration into it, something he said he wouldn't do. If some bil…

> If some billionaire owned the NY Post

A billionaire does

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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post #312

To play Devils Advocate for a moment: Why do we need, or even want, a newspaper to endorse a President? How does it not undermine a paper's journalistic ethics to be neutral and fair?

Endorsements are published by the editorial section which is specifically separated from the rest of the newspaper so to not undermine the neutrality of the journalism in the other sections. Opinion and analysis has always been part of news publications, and plays an accepted role in adding layers of interpretation onto the raw "facts" that is crucial in making those facts interpretable by readers who aren't expert i…

In practice there is little or no distinction. The list of top articles always includes opinion pieces, the choice of “neutral” fact articles to publish (and the headlines used) signals bias, and on a basic common sense level a newspaper isn’t going to publish an opinion piece that goes against the opinions of their workers/owners. Every time an opinion piece is published that goes against this, it’s a huge brouhaha.

Interestingly on another note, opinion writers are often actually less qualified than you’d expect, because the business model of a newspaper doesn’t really work for accumulating expertise vs. a specialized magazine/Substack / etc. The only way to have consistent opinion pieces is to have a generalist, not a specialist.

Re: Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

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post #296

Newspapers publish opinions for the same reason that they publish comic strips: people want to read them. Readers seek them out. Newspapers are a business and have to give their customers what they want. The problematic aspect here is that the current business owner, Jeff Bezos, has a conflict of interest. Bezos is making a bad business decision for The Washington Post, sacrificing it and losing readers for the sake…

> Newspapers are a business and have to give their customers what they want.

I really want to challenge this idea. Businesses can have missions quite distinct from what the majority of their prospective customers would want.

If I had practically unlimited money I wouldn't ever think of funding a news organisation and then only have it produce content that customers wanted. I would have a purpose for it, stemming from my own ethics.

I think it quite naive to consider Bezos has not done the same and that this decision is simply in line with his personal political interests.

Neoliberalism is a really poor substitute for personal morality and accountability.

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