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Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by lewhoo »

__loam wrote: post #665
lewhoo wrote: post #203

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> It also voids plausibility for Fair Use exemptions. I can see large copyright holders lining up with takedowns I thought so for a moment but then again Meta, Anthropic (I just checked and they have a "for profit and public benefit" status whatever that means), Google or that Musk's thing aren't non-profits, are they ? There are lawsuits in motion for sure but with how it stands today I think ai gets off the hook.

Doesn't make it morally or ethically okay

I'm with you there. I'm just not holding my breath for the current state of law.

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Post by kanbara »

fourseventy wrote: post #249

So are they going to give elon equity? He donated millions to the non profit and now they are going to turn around and turn the company into a for-profit based on the work done with that capital.

he doesn’t need the money, for one. he missed out and didn’t control it, and now he’s jealous that it took off. oh well, world’s richest man and smallest violin.

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by entropi »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #244
phito wrote: post #20

I know nothing about companies (esp. in the US), but I find it weird that a company can go from non-profit to for-profit? Surely this would be taken advantage of. Can someone explain me how this work?

It is going to be taken advantage of. Musk and others have criticized this “novel” method of building a company. If it is legal then it is a puzzling loophole. But another way to look at it is it gives small and vulnerable companies a chance to survive (with different laws and taxes applying to the initial nonprofit). If you look at it as enabling competition against the big players it looks more reasonable.

>But another way to look at it is it gives small and vulnerable companies a chance to survive (with different laws and taxes applying to the initial nonprofit).

I feel like this is quite a slippery slope, though. Should we also give small companies a right to violate trademarks? Copyright? Kill people? These could also give them a chance to compete against big players.

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Post by [deleted] »

stale2002 wrote: post #699
b800h wrote: post #610

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I was under the impression that in UK law at least, (and obviously not in this case) the trustees of a non-profit would be bound to work in the best interests of that non-profit. And so allowing an asset like this to somehow slip out of their control would be the sort of negligence that would land you in very hot water. I'd be interested to know how this isn't the case here.

> somehow slip out of their control would be the sort of negligence that would land you in very hot water. > how this isn't the case here. Its not the case because they are doing the opposite of what you are suggesting. They are increasing the value of the asset that they own. Sure, the asset itself is being diluted, but the individual parts that it owns are more valuable. It is perfectly reasonable for a non profit…

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Post by zelphirkalt »

cdchn wrote: post #391
addedlovely wrote: post #56

In that case, where can I apply for my licensing fee for my content they have scraped and trained on. List of crawlers for those who now want to block: https://platform.openai.com/docs/bots

I wonder how the AI/copyright arguments will play out in court. "If I read your book and I have a photographic memory and can recall any paragraph do I need to pay you a licensing fee?" "If I go through your library and count all the times that 'the' is adjacent to 'end' do I need to get your permission to then tell that number to other people?"

Cases where we see the absurdity of copyright in its current form. But either we have it for everyone, including OpenAI, or for no one. Or are perhaps some more equal than others before the law?

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Post by zelphirkalt »

codewench wrote: post #47
zmgsabst wrote: post #31

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I hope I can join in, as a consumer, because there’s a difference between using the IP I contribute to conversations for a non-profit and a commercial enterprise.

I suspect that if you have ever posted copyrightable material online, you will have valid cause to sue them, as they very obviously have incorporated your work for commercial gain. That said, I unfortunately put your chances of winning in court very low.

And why is it, that winning chances are low? Why do the courts let big tech trample on our rights, but the small man goes to jail or has to pay fines for much much less? And how can this situation be improved?

Hopefully at least in the EU someone will wake up and make better laws or even start applying them to the current situation.

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Post by 7373737373 »

nikcub wrote: post #175
addedlovely wrote: post #56

In that case, where can I apply for my licensing fee for my content they have scraped and trained on. List of crawlers for those who now want to block: https://platform.openai.com/docs/bots

might as well do the full list: https://github.com/ai-robots-txt/ai.robots.txt/blob/main/rob... cloudflare have a button for this: https://blog.cloudflare.com/declaring-your-aindependence-blo...

Thank you very much for mentioning these! These parasites deserve to burn in hell for their greed and violation of consent

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Post by KSteffensen »

pj_mukh wrote: post #576
feoren wrote: post #575

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Sam: "I'm not in it for the money. I have principles." World: "But what if it was like, a lot of money?" Sam: "Oh alright you convinced me. Fuck my principles."

What do you do with a a lot of money past a point? A corporate controlled AGI being just a stop on the way to build another private space agency seems like a...letdown.

Cure cancer? Solve this climate change thing?

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by mandmandam »

mattmaroon wrote: post #669
mandmandam wrote: post #569

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It's possible Tim Berners-Lee gave up hundreds of billions. Regardless, you've missed the point. Some people value their integrity over $trillions, and refuse to sell humanity out. Others would sell you out for $50. Or to put it another way: Some people have enough , and some never will.

It is not possible he could have thought that in 1992. It’s probably not even possible that he passed up one billion. Had he tried he’d likely have lost out to open standards like so many others did. You could prove me wrong easily. Find someone who raised (inflation adjusted) tens of billions, had the opportunity to make trillions, and declined. You can’t. You can likely take that down two orders of magnitude and st…

> It isn’t about integrity.

Oh, but it is. That's exactly what this is about.

As pointed out much earlier in the thread, it's generally the people who lack integrity that fail to acknowledge or recognize it in others.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

- You don't have to be Jesus to understand the sense of this quote. Just be honest and observant.

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