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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by jdjei847 »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #162
echelon wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ordinarily, yes. But she doesn't poll well with a lot of key demographics due to her tough on crime stance as a DA. Making her president would mean she'd be the presumptive nominee, and I think the party has more optimal choices lined up. This election will come down to four battleground states. Those are the only states and battles that matter.

I hate to say it yet I don't think she's polling well because even in 2024 I don't think America is ready to allow a woman of colour be POTUS.

That's certainly a factor but not the only factor. She bears a lot of the same baggage as Biden for failing to prosecute abusive cops and enforcing so-called "tough on crime" drug policies.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by lolinder »

loughnane wrote: post #709
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

I had a similar thought. It would be bold to pluck a republican of the old order as a gesture to the many republicans who now feel like men without a party. Romney would be an interesting choice. I remember this[0] article in the globe where a columnist who dragged him during his presidential run apologized after seeing how bad things could be. Like you say though, hard to imagine any party conjuring the courage to d…

> hard to imagine any party conjuring the courage to do something like that even if they thought it was wise.

They would if they sincerely believed that losing this election would doom democracy. If they nominate a straight polarized political ticket instead of one that can actually unify everyone who doesn't want to see a second Trump term then we know that they don't actually believe their own apocalyptic rhetoric.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by twodave »

joshmarinacci wrote: post #718
twodave wrote: post #715

As a registered Republican who voted IND in 2016 and then for Trump in 2020 (which probably puts me in about a 0.1% minority on a site like this), I feel upset that the democratic process for choosing a nominee for the Democratic Party is about to just get bypassed. Are other folks feeling this? I’d be even more riled up if this were my party telling me, “Oh, that guy you voted for in the primaries? We thought he cou…

Voting for the candidate at the convention actually is the process. It always has been. It’s just been a while since the outcome of the vote was unknown until we got to the convention itself.

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by fngjdflmdflg »

twodave wrote: post #715

As a registered Republican who voted IND in 2016 and then for Trump in 2020 (which probably puts me in about a 0.1% minority on a site like this), I feel upset that the democratic process for choosing a nominee for the Democratic Party is about to just get bypassed. Are other folks feeling this? I’d be even more riled up if this were my party telling me, “Oh, that guy you voted for in the primaries? We thought he cou…

I don't think most democrats actually care who the president is as long as it isn't Trump. That's why they voted for Biden in the first place. It is kind of ironic though that the party of "saving democracy" will not put the winner of the primaries as their candidate but I think practically speaking there is already somewhat of a consensus among the party for doing this. Also see polling that shows Harris with equal or better numbers than Biden.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by nothercastle »

I think it’s incredibly significant that the announcement came on twitter a network run by a prominent trump supporter. You have to wonder how that all went down for the administration to have to resort to that opinion.

For many hours it seemed like the announcement might have actually been a hoax because of how unofficial seeming the announcement was. I really want to read on how this all went down.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by neverartful »

macintux wrote: post #474
dheera wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The staunch Republicans will still vote for Trump and the only way to beat that is for there to be an incredibly cohesive force among a population that isn't very cohesive in the first place. The Republicans actually have it easy, they align and bond on lots of things. The center and left align on very few things and fight amongst themselves. A mixed ticket isn't going to align them better.

I’m curious: what do the Republicans align on, besides “Win at all cost” and “Liberals are bad”? Trump doesn’t care about the budget, doesn’t care about protecting our allies, doesn’t care about abortion. I’d wager he doesn’t care about immigration, either, except as a way to get votes.

Since you brought it up. Let's take your same question and apply it to Democrats. What do the Democrats align on, besides "Win at all cost" and "Trump is bad"?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by twodave »

jimberlage wrote: post #727
twodave wrote: post #715

As a registered Republican who voted IND in 2016 and then for Trump in 2020 (which probably puts me in about a 0.1% minority on a site like this), I feel upset that the democratic process for choosing a nominee for the Democratic Party is about to just get bypassed. Are other folks feeling this? I’d be even more riled up if this were my party telling me, “Oh, that guy you voted for in the primaries? We thought he cou…

No, I am not feeling riled up about this. I’m much more riled up about the state of the executive branch from 2016-2020.

You aren’t upset that an entire party conspired to keep Biden on the ticket until he bombed a debate? What if he hadn’t bombed it but instead done “barely enough”? Isn’t this basically what Trump was just convicted of some felonies for recently?

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Post by dmazzoni »

navjack27 wrote: post #120
readthenotes1 wrote: post #29

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The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. I know people in their 90s who are able to speak clearly at any hour of the day...

Speaking clearly has nothing to do with mental fortitude. Tons of things can affect the fluency of speech. We really need to move past the days where we judge people's intelligence and competence based on how well the connections of their brain are able to influence the movement of the vocal cords and the tongue the lips and the jaw.

It's not verbal flubs that are a problem. Tons of presidents had that tendency before (George W Bush, for example).

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by jimberlage »

twodave wrote: post #738
jimberlage wrote: post #727

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I am not feeling riled up about this. I’m much more riled up about the state of the executive branch from 2016-2020.

You aren’t upset that an entire party conspired to keep Biden on the ticket until he bombed a debate? What if he hadn’t bombed it but instead done “barely enough”? Isn’t this basically what Trump was just convicted of some felonies for recently?

No, I am not upset about anything the DNC has done. Trump has more and nastier court cases (including a pedophilia case) than the convicted felony. The RNC is abhorrent and the two cannot be compared.
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