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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Brechreiz »

LunaSea wrote: post #722
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Careful, the "doctors and lawyers" mantra was already tried in Europe since 2015 and failed miserably.

cringe rightoid opinion. you don't live in Europe and Fox News is lying to you.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by bryanlarsen »

hurril wrote: post #230
bryanlarsen wrote: post #216

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Crime among immigrants is largely correlated with unemployment rates. European countries with immigrant crime problems have high unemployment rates, the US does not.

This is not a good explanation without also looking at who is unemployed. In Sweden, the unemployment is low:ish but it is basically non-existent with the natives, but very high among immigrants. So it might be true that crime correlates with unemployment rates, but Sweden does not have a high unemployment.

Canada has a much higher middle Eastern population than Sweden. Canada does not have a middle Eastern crime problem nor a middle Eastern unemployment problem.

I imagine the biggest difference is that the core of this group has been in Canada for almost 50 years.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #586
np- wrote: post #359

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I’m always deeply uncomfortable with this argument. It sounds like justification for a “slave” class to do undesirable jobs with no legal protections and sub minimum wage, just so Americans can save a few bucks at the supermarket. But at what moral cost? We can’t have it both ways—if they’re here working, then it needs to be at full American wage with full American regulation/oversight. But that itself defeats the pu…

Part of what perpetuates this sort of thing is a general idea in society that one can’t do or learn something because that’s not possible for them. I’m of the opinion that if sufficiently motivated and with sufficient constraints removed, anyone can learn and do anything. The only difference between an engineer and someone breaking their back for work is that the engineer was probably coddled from birth into being to…

Anyone can do anything if they believe enough..

It is a nice sentiment and I cling to it myself more often than not, because there is something soothing about it. The unfortunate reality, however, is that being forced onto thing for which I have no predisposition, is, uhh, counterproductive at best.

In short, I disagree with pre-supposition that your position requires ( we are all amorphous blobs that can be molded into whatever with sufficient amount of force ). And that is before we get to the question of whether it is even worthwhile to teach a kid with down syndrome calculus? Not possible. Worthwhile.

No. People need to understand themselves. They need to experience their limits and then cater to their strengths and weaknesses accordingly. It is unhelpful to think that billions people on this planet are interchangeable cogs. We are not.

I am extremely unlikely to ever be like Georgi Gerganov. I simply do not believe I have the brain capacity needed.

It is fine to aspire, but I am not changing the world tomorrow.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by iudqnolq »

mk89 wrote: post #724
iudqnolq wrote: post #704

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Interestingly various European nations turn out to be a poor comparison group for the United States. No one has conclusively determined why yet, but we know there's a strong correlation between a country having English as the primary language and immigrants integrating well. This is especially true for second-generation immigrants. First generation immigrants are general less likely to commit crimes, but in countries…

There are only 3 or 4 countries in the west having English as their main language. What about UK, how did that work out for them? I can't see the charts.

The UK has significantly better integration than the continent in line with the other Anglosphere countries.

I agree it's not enough evidence for anything conclusive. But I think it's enough evidence to say arguing about what will happen to the US based only on Sweden data is unsound.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by avidphantasm »

Not a single mention in these comments of the US Embargo against Cuba. I’m sure Cuba has problems that are not directly because of the Embargo, but the Embargo makes dealing with all other problems much more difficult. Until the Embargo is lifted, I don’t see why people expect good outcomes for Cubans.

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

omnee wrote: post #723
aegis4244 wrote: post #255

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Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation. They eat,buy food clothing, cars. Every immigrant child is a net negative to the state,at least until they turn 18. But it isn't even. Net neg per kid of maybe 800 a year, positive of each adult of 1200-1600 are the numbers I've heard on freakonomics podcast. Their guests proposed solution was to have the feds pay the states per an immigrant chi…

This net economic benefit of immigrants varies based on their background and skill sets. In Denmark for example, MENA immigrants are a net drain throughout their entire productive work lives. https://web.archive.org/web/20240111003833/https://www.econo...

Only because Denmark does a bad job of integrating immigrants.

In countries like the US that are good at integrating immigrants, they are a huge net positive.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by iudqnolq »

qwytw wrote: post #713
iudqnolq wrote: post #706

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When looking at how wealthy democracies integrate immigrants the English speaking countries are dramatically more successful across all the standard objective metrics like crime rates or income compared to the native population. So Sweden isn't relevant.

Is the UK that particularly better than all the countries on the continent? And comparing US/Australia/NZ with Europe in the regard isn't exactly fair (they are much better at controlling and picking who can or can't come). US specifically already has extremely high crimes rates (compared to most developed countries) which might overshadow any effect immigrants might have.

Yes the UK is. Check out these charts for example: https://www.ft.com/content/c6bb7307-484c-4076-a0f3-fc2aeb0b6...

I agree there's near infinite confounding factors. But I think the correlation is striking enough that it's relevant to this conversation especially considering that the post I'm replying to cites only non-Anglosphere countries.

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Post by rangestransform »

timschmidt wrote: post #637
rangestransform wrote: post #629

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Well prescreening immigrants lets us avoid dealing with the consequences of our actions, so why not

Poe's law strikes again. I'm unsure if you're being sarcastic or not. I think the consequences of our actions will find us one way or another regardless of immigration policy. That's not an argument against screening, but for policy reform.

The government has a responsibility to minimize the consequences on its own people, everyone else be damned. Of course the US needs screening for immigrants, and I don’t know anyone reasonable who’d argue otherwise. Zero crime among immigrants is unrealistic, but society should make the tradeoff there based on economic and social factors instead of feeling any kind of moral obligation wrt. immigration.

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Post by renegade-otter »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

It's sad and painfully ironic that the same escapees of the regime will almost exclusively vote for Republicans. Cubans are very similar to ex-Soviet expats in that regard, something I can speak to firsthand.

The GOP found a magic word to "unlock" these people. Say the word "socialism" and all logic centers immediately shut down. It is replaced by panic and fear. No data or common sense is helpful - ask them to choose between Democrats and We Are Going To Eat Your Babies Party, and they will ask what kind of condiments you would like for the baby.

I am only half-kidding. Alexander Vindman's father from Soviet Ukraine's Odesa, for example, was all in for Trump until only well into the process of seeing his son's career destroyed and threats received for telling the truth under oath. My own father, who had a very close brush with the KGB - is the same way.

They want to be authoritarian, they TELL them that this is what they want, musing about retribution, gulags, and "punishing" the enemies, and it's still not going through. They even showed just a taste of the cruelty by making migrant children orphaned. It's worse than the Soviet Union in that sense because repressions were a tool but sadism was not a public policy. Shit, even THEY left children alone.

It's just so amazing, but it also shows you the power of words, branding, and marketing.

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